Zeuhl: Magma and others

[notallwhowander]

Okay outside of Magma, I've been told that the following are essential...


Eider Stellaire - 1st
Eskaton - 4 Visions
One Shot - Ewaz Vader
Weidorje - s/t
Zao - Z=7L


I already own Weidorje, which is awesome, and I just received Ewaz Vader, which seems pretty sweet. (I'll post more on that as I get used to it.) I pretty much aim to get the rest by the new year.

My recent faves don't come from this list, but they are Setna's Cycle I and Xing Sa's Création de L'univers. I'm stoked to hear the Setna follow up is planned for January.

I recently bought the Corima debut too, which is growing on me, but has made it clear that I'm not ready for the harder, faster Japanese stuff.

I'm tempted to cycle back around to Magma and buy the Live in Japan release so I can finally wrap my ears around "K.A." But these explorations into these other bands are proving too rewarding to stop.

[zombywoof]

I'm sure you know Univers Zero and Present ... they seem rather Zeuhl to me. Also, Dun is fantastic. Highly recommended. I don't know any of the bands you've mentioned, so there's more for me to discover, too.

[NogbadTheBad]

I wouldn't count Univers Zero or Present as Zeuhl as I think they are more Dark Chamber Rock or Avant Progressive, they do have some Zeuhlish elements.

If you want to explore another couple of good dark Zeuhl bands check out Shub Niggurath - Les Mort Vonts Vite, and Archaia - s/t.

[notallwhowander]

I'm sure you know Univers Zero and Present ... they seem rather Zeuhl to me. Also, Dun is fantastic. Highly recommended. I don't know any of the bands you've mentioned, so there's more for me to discover, too.
Well, this is the vid that got me started on Setna and a larger Zeuhl kick this autumn...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YJj1rS5u2Y

[NogbadTheBad]

Setna are fantastic.

[adewolf]

Xaal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAn0kbqwyg

[adewolf]

Xaal;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfFgtUfRLY

[notallwhowander]

Xaal

That's some nice stuff. I love the growl on the bass.

[JAMOOL]

I've been getting big into early Ruins - the Ruins III/Stonehenge/Burning Stone era. Stonehenge is so much better when you just lop off the bonus tracks and listen to Infect instead (from which they all come) because 70 minutes of them can be tough to take at once! But they are as Zuehl as it gets!

[Steve F.]

I wouldn't count Univers Zero or Present as Zeuhl...

1st two UZ albums?
Present's Rev de Fer (or most of No 6 and High Infidelity)?

Pretty zeuhl. Not copy-cat zeuhl, but def. strong zeuhl influences.

[NogbadTheBad]

1st two UZ albums?
Present's Rev de Fer (or most of No 6 and High Infidelity)?

Pretty zeuhl. Not copy-cat zeuhl, but def. strong zeuhl influences.
Oh I agree, I said zeuhlish elements you say strong zeuhl influence, I think we're in basically the same ballpark.

[Zalmoxe]

Yes, Setna is great. Also Rialzu, awesome obscure album from a band from Corsica!

[helicase]

the Setna follow up is planned for January.

Great! Looking forward to it.

Eskaton and Zao are certainly must haves and I'd also recommend a band I recently discovered, Ga'an (http://captcharecords.bandcamp.com/album/black-equus).

[notallwhowander]

I put in the order for 4 Visions so I assume I'll get it next week.

Two more to go. :)

[Oreb]

Guapo are certainly worth checking out. Black Oni is superb IMO.

[NogbadTheBad]

Guapo are certainly worth checking out. Black Oni is superb IMO.

Absolutely though I personally prefer 5 Suns

[Smörgåsbord]

Too me, Zeuhl is "magma-ish".

[Oreb]

Absolutely though I personally prefer 5 Suns

That's a fine album (all three I've heard are) but for me Black Oni is best: it's tighter and more intense.

[Progmatic]

Hardly ever mentioned but Thierry Zaboitzeff work is special....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-lTsnHQ6Dw

[notallwhowander]

I just received 4 Visions in the mail. I'm ripping it in as I type...

:D

[NogbadTheBad]

Well well well what do you think? Come on come on we need to know!!

[Shadow]

There is a One Shot show recently posted on Dime.

[simon moon]

Abus Dangeroux - Le Quatrieme Mouvement

Zeuhl fusion.

Corima - Quetzacaotl

New band from Los Angeles is Zeuhl heaven.

[NogbadTheBad]

Abus Dangeroux - Le Quatrieme Mouvement

Zeuhl fusion.

Corima - Quetzacaotl

New band from Los Angeles is Zeuhl heaven.Just picked up these two in the last month and both are highly recommended.

[notallwhowander]

Well well well what do you think? Come on come on we need to know!!I've spun it a few times already, and I'm digging it. It's a bit busy, but that just means I need to give it a few more spins so my mind can acclimate to the structure of the music. (The same thing is going on with the Corima disc, though 4 Visions appears to be somewhat more accessible to me.) Even at first listen, I could tell that this was the "real stuff." The folks went for it, and didn't fold in any bullshit. It sounds like its from another planet. X)

I love that little synth riff at the beginning of "Attente." And they do take the time to work out some serious grooves (albeit not as much as Weidorje, but then that's what Weidorje did). I've focused on the four tracks of the original album, and have given the bonus track only a cursory listen. I figure I'll get to them once I've digested the original work.

[notallwhowander]

Hardly ever mentioned but Thierry Zaboitzeff work is special....
Finally got the vid to work for me. That was creepy as all hell. But you you have to hand it to the dude that he was able to create such an air of menace all on his own on stage.

[aplodon]

It sounds like its from another planet.

Kobaia!

[Poisoned Youth]

I recently heard that short EP from the '86 band Altais. That's quite a tasty little piece of Zeuhl. Reminds me of a mix of Magma and Shub Niggurath.

[Bake 1]

Looks like the main non Vander bands in that neighborhood have already been listed... you might also dig Jean Paul Prat / Masal.

[The Czar]

Always a good topic!

[rottersclub]

Another on Soleil Zeuhl that you might like is Neom - Arkana Temporis.

"First CD of this French band that has recently opened for Magma at Bourg les Valence. A superb recording, heavily influenced by Magma (sound, compositions & spirit). Very much recommended to all Zeuhl fans!"

[Trane]

I wouldn't count Univers Zero or Present as Zeuhl as I think they are more Dark Chamber Rock or Avant Progressive, they do have some Zeuhlish elements.

If you want to explore another couple of good dark Zeuhl bands check out Shub Niggurath - Les Mort Vonts Vite, and Archaia - s/t.

Likewise my dear Ian, I never found Shub-Niggurath any Zeuhl, certainly less so than say... UZ and Present


I've been getting big into early Ruins - the Ruins III/Stonehenge/Burning Stone era. Stonehenge is so much better when you just lop off the bonus tracks and listen to Infect instead (from which they all come) because 70 minutes of them can be tough to take at once! But they are as Zuehl as it gets!


I never understood how Ruins can get lumped in Zeuhl.... Avant-Noise-Math Rock, yes... but Zeuhl???

[Trane]

Finally got the vid to work for me. That was creepy as all hell. But you you have to hand it to the dude that he was able to create such an air of menace all on his own on stage.

Well Zaboitzeff's solo performance in RIO Fest 2010 was definitely my fave performance of that edition ... but again, Zeuhl?? RIO/Avant, yes... ZEeuhl, not in my book

[Steve F.]

I never understood how Ruins can get lumped in Zeuhl.... Avant-Noise-Math Rock, yes... but Zeuhl???It's very obvious that their main inspiration is Magma.

They aren't copy-cats, but if you distill Ruins down to "what's their MAIN inspiration", it's definitely Magma.

Listen to "Burning Stone" for example. I don't see how that can be missed.

[Zeuhlmate]

It's very obvious that their main inspiration is Magma.


Even more so if you listen to the drummers other band Koenji Hyakkei, my favorite of his bands.

[dukecobman]

My recommendations for zeuhl (but not the hard fast Japanese style) if you like the Magma 74-84 period: Jannick Top "Infernal Machine" Corima "Quetzacoatl" (nothing heavy and hard like the debut) Rene Garber "Heart Music" (could be Magma demos? has very similar version of "Elephas Levi" from "Merci") Ga'an "Black Equus" Neom "Arkana Temporis" Patrick Gauthier "Sure Les Flots Verticaux" (I ignored this one for years because I figured by 1993 all the zeuhl would be beat out of him, but was I wrong ... fantastic and beautiful.) Setna "Cycle 1" plus anything by Eskaton or Eider Stellaire. And one of my all time faves Vox Nostra "Anima" (ex Magma and Eider Stellaire), and finally anything you can find by Xalph and Magister Dixit. And just for fun, any Jannick Top fans who enjoy jazz rock fusion might like Philip Catherine "Babel" from 1980. I've left the most controversial pick until the end - absolutely anything by Michel Altmayer / Troll. I don't care if he "borrows heavily and often" from actual Magma music.... that's what I like... if you love Magma but have everything, this is the next logical step. Whether its official releases, demos, live bootlegs, whatever.. it's all great. I can't remember the exact song title but there is a Troll song where it gets going on a perfect zeuhl groove taken directly from Zess and punched up melody and horns and driving guitar solo until it explodes! I'm not sure there's a better zeuhl moment in music (not played by Magma).

[PROGMONSTER]

I just received 4 Visions in the mail. I'm ripping it in as I type...

:D


So who did you order from? I'll do the same :D

[NogbadTheBad]

Laser has it

[PROGMONSTER]

Laser has it

Cool. I'll get it from there. They don't have any Potemkine though :p

[PROGMONSTER]

I got these 2 goodies not long ago

385
386

I really like the Francois Auger drumming on these. Klaus blasquiz does some vocals too

[NogbadTheBad]

Cool. I'll get it from there. They don't have any Potemkine though :pI had to order my copy of Potemkine from a specialty dealer in France, I've next seen it in the USA.

[Progmatic]

Well Zaboitzeff's solo performance in RIO Fest 2010 was definitely my fave performance of that edition ... but again, Zeuhl?? RIO/Avant, yes... ZEeuhl, not in my book

I think you just splitting the hair here...it is true bulk of Thierry work could be put into Avantgarde bucket but he played lot of music that had lot of Zeuhlish feel to it...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOztOerFlac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGr0dg6GZl8

[Progmatic]

Likewise my dear Ian, I never found Shub-Niggurath any Zeuhl, certainly less so than say... UZ and Present




I never understood how Ruins can get lumped in Zeuhl.... Avant-Noise-Math Rock, yes... but Zeuhl???

yet again splitting the hair...Ruins sounds as Zeuhlish as anyone up there...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlYCLpsb-Ns

We have to give Zeuhl more diversity...otherwise Zeuhl would be restricted just to Magma and its clones

[NogbadTheBad]

I tend to agree, I have a tough time separating much of Avant Progressive and Zeuhl so I tend to put them all together. Adele & Jose had Magma as one of the major elements of their RIO documentary and that's good enough for me.

[TheH]

[QUOTE=dukecobman;7221 Magister Dixit QUOTE]

A very cool band. You can download their debut for free from the band:

http://magisterdixitgroupe.free.fr/page_cellule_de_crise_mp3.htm

[notallwhowander]

We have to give Zeuhl more diversity...otherwise Zeuhl would be restricted just to Magma and its clones

I have to agree. I was reading the interview with Setna on their site where a band member thought their first album was more akin to Canterbury than Zeuhl. In a way, I see their point. The musical palette is so much lighter than Magma, but I still get a distinctive Zeulhish vibe from the whole thing.

So we're back to labels not really meaning a thing, except a way of talking about affinities experienced by musicians and their audience.

[Udi Koomran]

ALTAÏS
http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/5458.jpg

http://youtu.be/irm2rbzaLsA

[notallwhowander]

So Eskaton's 4 Visions is really sinking in deeply. It's even helping Corima's music open up for me. (Corima were, in the end, just playing faster than I was digging when I gave them a try a month of so ago.) The complexity of the music means that it takes a few listens just to get a handle on it, for me anyway. After that, it takes a few listens more before it gets deep into my nervous system, and I can really open up to the aesthetic experience the music offers.

It's about time a buy another disc... My list says it's either Zao or Eider Stellaire. :)

[Progbear]

I was listening to Attahk today and I realized that I really, really do love this album. I’d put this up there aside MDK and Köhntarkösz but it’s a bit of a different flavour of Magma. Those other albums were more or less album-length works where this is definitely Magma in discrete song mode. You can really hear the fusion influence stronger here than any other release (except maybe Magma Live). The influence from soul and American black gospel music is also really on the surface here. It’s for sure an attempt at being more accessible while still retaining Magma’s distinct identity (and definitely more successful at courting a wider audience than Merci). There’s not a single song on this album I dislike or feel like skipping.

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MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")

‘“What blow, Goblin?” said Corinius.’ --E. R. Eddison

N.P.:“Just a Smile”-Pilot/From the Album of the Same Name

[notallwhowander]

I finally put in an order for Eider Stellaire. I've got that Neom disc spinning right now. Man am I digging it. They hit just the right jazzy kind of grooves on this. I suppose the whole thing has a kind of introspective vibe to it, but it's really suiting me. Does anyone know if they're still a unit?

[Jymbot]

Maybe:
Vortex - cycles de Thanatos
Koenjihyakkei
Happy Family
Universe Zeht (or summat loike that)


That Prat "Masal" suggestion is a good one. (Gots that menacing cosmic dissonance build-up thing going.)

[Ludovico]

That Prat "Masal" suggestion is a good one. (Gots that menacing cosmic dissonance build-up thing going.)

It is a good album but it is not zeuhl at all!

[Scrotum Scissor]

It is a good album but it is not zeuhl at all!
Hm, we're not quite in agreement here; J. P. Prat's Masal is "semi-Zeuhl" in the same sense as Rahmann, Vortex (2nd. album) and Dün were - i.e. experimental and "rehearsal-intensive" progressive rock with a rather distinct influence from Magma a.o. But Prat's current band, which is called Masal and released a CD some three years back (Galgal; no, don't ask!), certainly has even less Zeuhl about it than his 80s work.

Some other 80s Zeuhl obscurities were Michel Altmayer's Troll (one release, though not too good IMO), Musique Noise (one fairly nice record and another which was unfinished and didn't have a release until some ten years ago; this group was "tutored" by Eskaton), and finally drummer Eric Delaunay (RIP) and his band Tiemko. Delaunay's solo album from 1981 is quite OK, the Tiemko releases (all on Musea) are flawed but altogether rather interesting.

Last I heard, Altmayer is recording a new Troll album, and Musique Noise (who broke up in 1995 following the gig on the first YT-clip underneath) bizarrely posted a short studio session for an even more bizarrely Zeuhlish sounding song in 2008 (second down). Very, very odd stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sD_3PfO5Cs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm3p4OM2rT0

[Ludovico]

Hm, we're not quite in agreement here; J. P. Prat's Masal is "semi-Zeuhl" in the same sense as Rahmann, Vortex (2nd. album) and Dün were - i.e. experimental and "rehearsal-intensive" progressive rock with a rather distinct influence from Magma a.o. But Prat's current band, which is called Masal and released a CD some three years back (Galgal; no, don't ask!), certainly has even less Zeuhl about it than his 80s work.


I know this album very well, i've seen the group performing live 3 times (during the lastest concert they played unrealeased tracks). This has nothing to do with Zeuhl.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I know this album very well, i've seen the group performing live 3 times (during the lastest concert they played unrealeased tracks). This has nothing to do with Zeuhl.
Of course not.

[Zeuhlmate]

Not essential but definetely interesting: Rhùn - Ïh
Reminds me of early Magma

http://rhunmusic.bandcamp.com/album/h-2

Their tags: experimental progressive rock contemporary garage zeuhl

[nosebone]

Not sure if Musique Noise was mentioned:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwyTFA_wvsI

Unfortunately, the tune is sped up on this upload, but the album is quite good imo.

[Soleilzeuhl]

Not essential but definetely interesting: Rhùn - Ïh
Reminds me of early Magma
http://rhunmusic.bandcamp.com/album/h-2

They are talking with several labels, including SZ & Altrock.

[Scrotum Scissor]

Not sure if Musique Noise was mentioned: [...] the album is quite good imo.
The outtakes (30+ minutes worth) for the second album are way better, I think; they can be heard with the Musea CD reissue of the album (now entitled Fulmines Integralis).

BTW, check a few posts above...

[nosebone]

The outtakes (30+ minutes worth) for the second album are way better, I think; they can be heard with the Musea CD reissue of the album (now entitled Fulmines Integralis).

BTW, check a few posts above...


Ooops, gotcha!

[MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER]

Okay outside of Magma, I've been told that the following are essential...


Eider Stellaire - 1st
Eskaton - 4 Visions
One Shot - Ewaz Vader
Weidorje - s/t
Zao - Z=7L
thats a killer list!

At the risk of some classification freak shrieking "THEY'RE NOT ZUEHL!" I would agree with the recommendations of Xaal and Heldon, particularly Heldon - Stand By

[notallwhowander]

Okay, Eider Stellaire has proved a bit more challenging to get ahold of than I previously thought. I think I've got a solid order in now. In the mean time, I just received ZAO's Z=7L, and am just finishing my second spin. I was afraid that the vocals were going to be an issue, but that's not the case. The vocalist brings a great flavor to the music. There's something exultant in the human voice that no other instrument can match, and zeuhl bands seem to really get that. It's as true on Z=7L as anything I've yet heard (except maybe MDK, where it's even more true).

I'm still taking it all in, and it will probably take another good 3-5 listens before I really start to understand the music. But, I am already digging on some really cool parts here and there. These are all good signs of plenty of enjoyment to come. :)

[notallwhowander]

I've got my copy of Eider Stellaire, though the nice, slimline digipack was absolutely trashed in transit. The disc itself was undamaged, though. So I have my initial list. :up Thanks for the guidance people!

I've another question to throw out to you: what your opinion of studio Magma vs. live Magma? I want to deepen my collection of the band. I've been so struck with the live stuff, I wonder if I might as well focus my attention there rather than the studio recordings.

[Dana5140]

All Magma is good, just saying. But I always say, start with Magma Live.

[Zeuhlmate]

All Magma is good, just saying. But I always say, start with Magma Live.
Seconded.

[aith01]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I felt it would be better to keep this contained instead of starting a whole new thread about essentially the same thing...

I know some don't consider Jean-Paul Prat's "Masal" album as being Zeuhl, but it sure comes close enough for me. I discovered this one last summer and still listen to it fairly often. Love the "big band zeuhl" sound as some have described it. Are there any other albums that sound somewhat like this one? Anyone know of any?

Also just discovered that Benoit Widemann's three solo albums are on Spotify, and have been listening to Tsunami today. Very nice stuff. :)

[Zeuhlmate]

Jean-Paul Prat's "Masal" is more zeuhlish in my book than Widemans albums. which are good fusion with a zeuhl twist some places.

[Steve F.]

I know some don't consider Jean-Paul Prat's "Masal" album as being Zeuhl, but it sure comes close enough for me.

me too. I really love that one.

[aith01]

me too. I really love that one.

You and me both, sir. :)

That was one of the best musical "discoveries" of recent years for me.

[LighthouseKeeper]

They are talking with several labels, including SZ & Altrock.

And now it is out on Altrock. Eagerly awaiting delivery from Wayside!

[Udi Koomran]

One of favorite recent discoveries


http://youtu.be/-KUYvBhXYmw

Damn that Olga is giving Marylise a run for her money as my fav girl drummer

[Progmatic]

One of favorite recent discoveries


Damn that Olga is giving Marylise a run for her money as my fav girl drummer

Nice! Russians have been making some realy good music lately

If I read it correctly the band is: Protobajan or Protobaian
and
the track is called: Syncopated silence (? :) ) or Synkopiriovinaja tischina

[progholio]

One of favorite recent discoveries



Damn that Olga is giving Marylise a run for her money as my fav girl drummer

wow, thanks for sharing, that clip made my day.

I don't know if this is hardcore Zeuhl but this album always makes me feel good every time I listen to it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7au0pCZMtw

[GuitarGeek]

Reading some of the older posts in this thread, I have to say I think Masal is a fantastic record. Is it zheul? Well, there's sections that kinda have a zheul vibe, but not as dark, maybe closer to Attahk than MDK. To me it actually kinda sounds like a cross between a sort of zheul thing and a sort of a Mike Oldfield vibe to me. Hey, close enough for rock n roll, right?

BTW, according to the liner notes of the Masal CD, Prat subsequently "found God" and as I understand it, most of his music since that has been very "Christian oriented", other than the bonus tracks that appear on the Masal CD. But of course, that's info more than 10 years old now. I don't know what he's been doing in the 21st century.

[aith01]

Reading some of the older posts in this thread, I have to say I think Masal is a fantastic record. Is it zheul? Well, there's sections that kinda have a zheul vibe, but not as dark, maybe closer to Attahk than MDK. To me it actually kinda sounds like a cross between a sort of zheul thing and a sort of a Mike Oldfield vibe to me. Hey, close enough for rock n roll, right?

BTW, according to the liner notes of the Masal CD, Prat subsequently "found God" and as I understand it, most of his music since that has been very "Christian oriented", other than the bonus tracks that appear on the Masal CD. But of course, that's info more than 10 years old now. I don't know what he's been doing in the 21st century.

Have you seen/heard his more recent album called Galgal? It was released under the band name Masal, with Jean-Paul Prat on keyboards/piano rather than drums. It's perhaps less overtly zeuhl than the 1980s album, more jazz/fusion, but still very good stuff. :)

[Steve F.]

I thought the album Galgal was surprisingly great. Not really zeuhl at all, but great.

[Ludovico]

That's what I said earlier in the thread and a member called me a classification freak.

[GuitarGeek]

Have you seen/heard his more recent album called Galgal? It was released under the band name Masal, with Jean-Paul Prat on keyboards/piano rather than drums. It's perhaps less overtly zeuhl than the 1980s album, more jazz/fusion, but still very good stuff. :)

I'll have to look for Galgal, then.

On the topic of Prat, I note in the liner notes of the Masal reissue, that he and the other musicians who play on that record had a long history of backing others and even doing sessions. But do I understand correctly that a lot of these were just pop recordings that would be mostly of no interest to zheul fans? I know Jannick Top, for instance, played on a lot of records that have literally no connection to any form of progressive music, and he was in Johnny Halliday's band for many years too.

[aith01]

That's what I said earlier in the thread and a member called me a classification freak.

I thought that was about Masal (the album), not Galgal. Am I mistaken?

Galgal is more like fusion to my ears, but Masal (the album, not the band) sure sounds like Zeuhl to me. Close enough to satisfy my craving for something Magma-esque at least. :)

[Udi Koomran]

I bought Masal in the late 90's and utterly hated it
Got rid of the cd
I remember a youtube clip with his recent Galgal stuff that sounded quite good
I realize its time for a revisit....

[Poisoned Youth]

I'm going to have to get that Rhun album.



That's what I said earlier in the thread and a member called me a classification freak.

Consider the source...

[Zeuhlmate]

I bought Masal in the late 90's and utterly hated it
Got rid of the cd

Why did you hate it ? (just curious)

[Udi Koomran]

dunno it was a long time ago
maybe now it will be better for me

[Zeuhlmate]

I have changed my mind several times.
But never about country music :p

[dnieper]

I like that first Masal album, but it's got a slickness and simplicity to it that I'm not crazy about. The 44 minutes could have easily been condensed into about 20 or even 10. I actually like the bonus tracks on the CD a little more than the main album, maybe because they seem more focused to me.

[Facelift]

The only One Shot album I have is the first one. I know it's ex-Magma people, but most of it doesn't sound very Zeuhl-ish at all. The first couple of tracks sound more like Mahavishnu Orchestra than anything else, and most of the rest is all quite fusiony as well.

I've wanted to try Ewaz Vader but haven't been able to find it. Is it available to buy anywhere?

[Zeuhlmate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZxKf98hzeU

[NogbadTheBad]

Live In Tokyo is wonderful


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ve_kr8cj0

[nosebone]

I like that first Masal album, but it's got a slickness and simplicity to it that I'm not crazy about. The 44 minutes could have easily been condensed into about 20 or even 10. I actually like the bonus tracks on the CD a little more than the main album, maybe because they seem more focused to me.

I didn't care for it either years ago when I purchased it.

But this thread prompted a spin, and I loved it!

It reminded me of the last three Forgas Band Phenomena releases.

[Ludovico]

I thought that was about Masal (the album), not Galgal. Am I mistaken?

Galgal is more like fusion to my ears, but Masal (the album, not the band) sure sounds like Zeuhl to me. Close enough to satisfy my craving for something Magma-esque at least. :)

I clearly said I was talking about Galgal, I saw the band performing live several times.




Consider the source...

No thanks

[aith01]

I didn't care for it either years ago when I purchased it.

But this thread prompted a spin, and I loved it!

It reminded me of the last three Forgas Band Phenomena releases.

Intriguing! I've heard of this group but never listened to them. I will have to check them out.

Thanks for the heads up. :)

[zombywoof]

I picked up Zao: "Kawana" on LP on a record store. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm very excited to, since I can't find the CD anywhere...

[Scrotum Scissor]

I clearly said I was talking about Galgal, I saw the band performing live several times.

With all due respect; there's anything but "clearness" to what you're pointing at in posts 52-54 above.

Masal - J-P Prat's current band whose Galgal album was mentioned by myself, Steve F. and several others - has little or no Zeuhl about it. But neither was this ever proposed, although you seem to imply that indeed it was (proposed, I mean - not a Zeuhl album). But hey - lucky dude to get to see the Masal band... Which I hope to have understood correctly that you did, and who weren't "Zeuhl at all", right? Well, then we agree. We all agree!

Jean-Paul Prat's Masal album from the early 80s: a litterbitter kinda quasi/pseudozeuhl. Purely subjectively speaking, of course.
(Jean-Paul Prat's) Masal's Galgal release from 2009: *NO* zeuhl! Or at least extremely little.

Christ. It takes its toll being a, er, proggerrhetoric.

[Poisoned Youth]

I picked up Zao: "Kawana" on LP on a record store. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm very excited to, since I can't find the CD anywhere...

Most of the Zao catalog is quite good - and a bit varied. I think you'll enjoy it. You'll also want to look into some of Yochk'o Seffer's work as a leader like Delire, Ima, and Ghilgoul.

[Facelift]

Zeuhlmate/Nogbad - thanks guys for those awesome links! Yeah, those tracks are full-on Zeuhl. I guess the guys in that band got back to their roots as time went on.

[rottersclub]

Most of the Zao catalog is quite good - and a bit varied. I think you'll enjoy it.

I've really tried, but the female vocals do not work for me.

[Steve F.]

I've really tried, but the female vocals do not work for me.

Out of the original (non-reunion) Zao albums, ONLY the 1st one (Z=7L) has female voices, iirc!

Try another one!

[JAMOOL]

Does Area count as Zeuhl?

[rottersclub]

Out of the original (non-reunion) Zao albums, ONLY the 1st one (Z=7L) has female voices, iirc!

Try another one!

Steve,

I've got:
Z=7L
Osiris
Shekina
Kawana

all on CD.

I recall that one them has some jams with some Québecois luminaries and one is more straight ahead and doesn't grate. Let's put it this way, when I have the itch for Zeuhl, there are better scratches than Zao (for me).

[Ludovico]

With all due respect; there's anything but "clearness" to what you're pointing at in posts 52-54 above.

Masal - J-P Prat's current band whose Galgal album was mentioned by myself, Steve F. and several others - has little or no Zeuhl about it. But neither was this ever proposed, although you seem to imply that indeed it was (proposed, I mean - not a Zeuhl album). But hey - lucky dude to get to see the Masal band... Which I hope to have understood correctly that you did, and who weren't "Zeuhl at all", right? Well, then we agree. We all agree!

Jean-Paul Prat's Masal album from the early 80s: a litterbitter kinda quasi/pseudozeuhl. Purely subjectively speaking, of course.
(Jean-Paul Prat's) Masal's Galgal release from 2009: *NO* zeuhl! Or at least extremely little.

Christ. It takes its toll being a, er, proggerrhetoric.

I was talking about Masal - Galgal indeed. As i said i saw them in concert recently i thought it was obvious.

[aith01]

Ah I see. I thought you were talking about Jean-Paul Prat's "Masal" album. My mistake.

That makes more sense now. :)

[Zeuhlmate]

Does Area count as Zeuhl?

Never :D
They dont have growling distorted bass, insanely repetetive rhodes & rythms, and if you speak italian, you can understand the words. Zeuhl usually will bring you in ecstacy and trance at the same time, sooner or later.
Area is fabulous, but a different beast

[Scrotum Scissor]

will bring you in ecstacy and trance at the same time.
Area is fabulous, but a different beast

AreA actually *DO* bring me to ecstasy. And Zeuhl, of course. And that high-point in HCow's "Living in the Heart". And Tasavallan's Lambertland. Pekka Pöyry was the best blower ever to touch upon rock, IMO.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I was talking about Masal - Galgal indeed. As i said i saw them in concert recently i thought it was obvious.

My mistake, then. Sorry.

[jupiter0rjapan]

I thank this thread for making me aware of Setna. Amazing stuff!

[aith01]

I thank this thread for making me aware of Setna. Amazing stuff!

Setna are terriffic. I thought their debut was very nice, and Guerison is even better!

This thread inspired me to go dig out the few Magma discs that I have, and I started listening to M.D.K. and Emehntehtt Re again. Since then, I've bought K.A., and holy cow, that is one awesome disc! :cool

Now I'm looking to grab the other Magma discs I don't own to finish out my collection. It's hard to decide which ones to get next.

Christian Vander is some kind of mad genuis, and I love it.

[JAMOOL]

I too discovered Setna thanks to this thread. I dunno what makes this qualify as Zeuhl and Area not. Is it the language? This music is very subdued, IMO very similar to say Third-era Soft Machine. I'm on my third listen now and really digging it. I do wish the drums were mixed a bit louder though, as the drummer (whoever he or she is) really seems to have a great soft touch, but you can't really hear them well. Oh well. Keep the good recs coming!

[notallwhowander]

I finally got my hands on Magma's Live in Tokyo, which is something I wanted around December last year, but the supply ran out everywhere, apparently. This means, actually, I've finally gotten to hear "K.A." which is growing on me fast. it's a two-track recording, so the balance between the instruments could be better (the guitar is often buried a bit behind the Fender Rhodes), the the performance is top-notch. Clearly, I'll need to pick up the studio version of this.

I'm also enjoying the second disc which is a scaled-back version of the Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogie, for Les Voix de Magma (essentially the vocal section of Magma accompanied by a piano). The whole trilogy is about fifty minutes long arranged this way. What is does point out is that "Ẁurdah Ïtah" is my really favorite Magma composition. That thing just gets so pretty, and I love those vocal syncopations.

Re: Setna

If it is any consolation, I read an interview with band members who see Setna's music as more Canterbury-ish than Zeuhl. But then, they also took the attitude that they wouldn't really know what kind of music Setna makes until they recorded three albums. Talk about a progressive attitude!

I'm zeuhlie-noobie myself, and all I can say is that it scratches the same itch. I don't think a constructed language is needed for Zeuhl, but it doesn't hurt. I mean, it is a way of showing a certain set of influences. To me there is a certain hypnotic construction of rhythm, a certain way the vocals and melodies interact with the rhythm, and taking time to really develop a composition. If that sounds like vague bullshit, then I guess it is. I haven't the vocabulary or expertise to express what I mean any better.

If you're digging Setna, don't miss out on the parallel project Xing Sa. It's three members of Setna, no vocals, and the music is written by the keyboard player, rather than the drummer. It's still really good stuff. The clip below has a long fade-in, so be forewarned...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1pL1HIQ9U

I can also recommend Neom's Arkana Temporis, which is a bit more moody than Setna, but still real high-quality Zeuhl with a lighter touch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsGQeFBN4RY

[NogbadTheBad]

Big fan of Setna, Xing Sa & Neom. The Setna releases are some of the nicest releases of any genre. Highly recommended.

[aplodon]

I too discovered Setna thanks to this thread. ... I do wish the drums were mixed a bit louder though, as the drummer (whoever he or she is) really seems to have a great soft touch, but you can't really hear them well.

I agree about the drums. I guess that's the reason this album doesn't do very much for me. The drums get a bit more audible towards the end of the disc, though, which is probably the reason why I like that part best.

[Zeuhlmate]

Musique Noise - Pour qui sont ces rangers qui marchent sur nos têtes? - sur l'album "Fulmines Regularis" (1988)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BpkvcFquZU

[Pink Freud]

I like Musique Noise, although they're not one of my favorites. Pretty amazing album for 1988.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I like Musique Noise, although they're not one of my favorites. Pretty amazing album for 1988.

That, it is. BTW, that 2012 Musique Noise track I posted a few pages back turns out to be more than just a gathering in memory lain thing, as the band is actually releasing a new record - practically as we speak! I mean, that's 28 years since the first/last one, 21 since that final Paris gig (see video with the 2012 footage) and 23, I think, since those excellent demos for their second album.

Quite an achievement. Poor man's Zeuhl grandpas sticking to it! :)

Think I'll have to check it out. It's called Dans le Temps Qui S'Etire.

[aith01]

That, it is. BTW, that 2012 Musique Noise track I posted a few pages back turns out to be more than just a gathering in memory lain thing, as the band is actually releasing a new record - practically as we speak! I mean, that's 28 years since the first/last one, 21 since that final Paris gig (see video with the 2012 footage) and 23, I think, since those excellent demos for their second album.

Quite an achievement. Poor man's Zeuhl grandpas sticking to it! :)

Think I'll have to check it out. It's called Dans le Temps Qui S'Etire.

Oh, I didn't realize that was a new album. For some reason I thought it was a re-release, but clearly I was mistaken. :D

Was listening to it on Spotify a few days ago, and it's pretty nice really. Not as "heavy" as a lot of current Zeuhl groups tend to be, which makes for a different kind of listen. Is there such a thing as easy-listening-Zeuhl?

Either way, not bad at all.

[Udi Koomran]

Setna are working on a new one

[Scrotum Scissor]

Is there such a thing as easy-listening-Zeuhl?

I still clearly remember getting Michel Altmayer's Troll vol.2 (Musea, 1986) on the strength of the excellent track "Breakup Dance" on the Enneade compilation of Zeuhl music (also on Musea). Turned out that most of the rest of the Altmayer record came across as some kinda Zeuhl Barry Manilow.

There's a decent amount of Zeuhl-influence in some of Francois Breant's stuff too, and he was certainly into channelling an easy listening vibe on occasion. His stuff worked far better than Altmayer's, though.

[rottersclub]

Setna are working on a new one

I'm also a big fan of this band, so this good news indeed.

[JAMOOL]

When's a new Corima record coming out?

[notallwhowander]

I figured the "Zappa pas à pas" prefigured an new release from Setna. This is excellent news.

Are Corima still a working unit? I hope so, their debut took a few listens to click, and then became very satisfying. (I was, at the time, not used to that much information hitting my ear at once.)

[proggosaurus]

yeah, some of these might be a little iffy Zeuhlwise but how about em anyways (sorry for any repeats)

Ad Vitam
Albert Marcoeur
Amygdala
Anaid
Anamorphose
Athanor
Bernard Paganotti
Debile Menthol
Elull Noomi
Farben
Far Corner
Faton Cahen Quintet
Fractale
Francois Faton Cahen
Kolkhöze Printanium
Le Silo
Noa
Pascal Duffard
Philippe Cauvin
Pienza Ethnorkestra
Pseu
Rabbit Rabbit
Runaway Totem
Scherzoo (François Thollot)
Seamus
Serge Bringolf
Speed Limit
Stormy Six
STS (Eric Seva/Jannick Top/Claude Salmieri)
Synchro
Unit Wail
Universal Totem Orchestra
Uppsala
Utopic Sporadic Orchestra
Vazytouille
Yochk' o Seffer
ZWOYLD

[NogbadTheBad]

Rabbit Rabbit are zeuhlish? Great band but don't see how they make this thread, they don't even have a bassist or keyboardist!

[Soleilzeuhl]

When's a new Corima record coming out?

It's planned for september. Title (possibly not definitive) being "Amaterasu".

[Udi Koomran]

Corima just finished the recordings sessions

[notallwhowander]

Sweet. :up

[NogbadTheBad]

Happy dance

[Dana5140]

This is a very good find and a great version of Om Zanka.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OiiLZ4UKbc

And here is live Corima:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNYowy0Pds

[Trane]

Musique Noise - Pour qui sont ces rangers qui marchent sur nos têtes? - sur l'album "Fulmines Regularis" (1988)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BpkvcFquZU

I remember WTF'ing to that some 15 years ago and got rid of it fairly quickly... maybe I was a little quick in my judgment

[aith01]

I still clearly remember getting Michel Altmayer's Troll vol.2 (Musea, 1986) on the strength of the excellent track "Breakup Dance" on the Enneade compilation of Zeuhl music (also on Musea). Turned out that most of the rest of the Altmayer record came across as some kinda Zeuhl Barry Manilow.

There's a decent amount of Zeuhl-influence in some of Francois Breant's stuff too, and he was certainly into channelling an easy listening vibe on occasion. His stuff worked far better than Altmayer's, though.

Interesting... Never heard anything akin to a "Zeuhl Barry Manilow", so that sounds quite different. :lol

Thanks for the info though. Never listened to Francois Breant, but now I'm curious.

Even though we don't always see eye-to-eye, I love reading your forum posts, man. :up

[proggosaurus]

Rabbit Rabbit are zeuhlish? Great band but don't see how they make this thread, they don't even have a bassist or keyboardist!


nope, you're absolutely right. that's what I get for monkeying around. damn gorillas!

[unclemeat]

This is a very good find and a great version of Om Zanka.

I once had the opportunity to play 'Om Zanka' with Patrick Réhant, the drummer,
an excellent player (formerly of Magma cover band Don't Die) and good man who sadly passed away in april.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-J4_1b7BHs

[Zeuhlmate]

Not as powerdriven as Pienza Ethnorchestra but in the same vein and same instruments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ivfnYZwJAg

[Zeuhlmate]

No really zeuhl : Close, but no cigar!
On the other hand it sounds like Foetus have listened to Zaboitzeff, Topp, Koenji and Nicolas Lens, at least on this track


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVCeB0wd1UI

[selfextraction]

Nice one. Thanks!

[Zeuhlmate]

Nyl - Nyl 1976 FULL ALBUM (psychedelic space rock)

The reason for posting it here is that Jannick Top plays bass on some of the tracks, and its pretty obvious where


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exjpYkhZE6s

[Cyberian Cat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YrKWT_7mU

[Zeuhlmate]

Fistfights With Wolves

https://fistfightswithwolves.bandcamp.com/

Californian Zeuhl !

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC91Fce84-VyJZue8_0gRBaQ

[NogbadTheBad]

Nice stuff!

[Zeuhlmate]

Nice stuff!

Its very good, and different !
Never heard about them before...

https://www.facebook.com/fistfightswithwolvesmusic/

[Trane]

Fistfights With Wolves

https://fistfightswithwolves.bandcamp.com/

Californian Zeuhl !

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC91Fce84-VyJZue8_0gRBaQ

thhx

very interesting


Nice stuff!

this is wortjhy of PA inclusion (IMHO)

[Mascodagama]

Interesting... Never heard anything akin to a "Zeuhl Barry Manilow", so that sounds quite different. :lol


Music and passion were always the fashion
At the Kobaïa, Kobaïacabana!

Look, you didn't think Manilow was from Earth, did you...?

[sbtm]

I am a bit disappointed because nobody mentioned the fantastic band "Bondage Fruit" from Japan yet.
They're not active anymore but left some killer albums for us.

And I would like to throw the band "Dai Kaht" from Finland into the room. They're next level, a fantastic evolution of "classic Zeuhl"

[thedunno]

Fistfights With Wolves

https://fistfightswithwolves.bandcamp.com/

Californian Zeuhl !

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC91Fce84-VyJZue8_0gRBaQI am enjoying this bands latest release.

You might expect something extremely dark with a bandname like 'Fistfights with Wolves' and an album title 'Bone Script'. The album cover is not very flowery either.

In fact this is fairly accesible Zheul(ish) music. I would not call it happy music but not that dark. Good tunes, good grooves, good female vocals, some fine playing, good production. Nothing really new but simply good stuff.

[Zappathustra]

Fistfights With Wolves

https://fistfightswithwolves.bandcamp.com/

Californian Zeuhl !



Very nice indeed!

[TheH]

J.A. Seazer is a very well known figure in Japan. He is the Composer for the Tenjo Sajiki Musical Theater.
The stuff he does is rather heavy psych but has some Zeuhl influence (which is not intentional I think, as
he did this since the late 60s)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ErRfu_HAQ

[Zappathustra]

I am a bit disappointed because nobody mentioned the fantastic band "Bondage Fruit" from Japan yet.
They're not active anymore but left some killer albums for us.

And I would like to throw the band "Dai Kaht" from Finland into the room. They're next level, a fantastic evolution of "classic Zeuhl"

I never thought of them as zeuhl, although they could very well fit the term.

The band has been lauded many times here https://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/4680-Japanese-Rock-Prog-or-Not?highlight=japan . It's a long thread so you need to browse a bit.

Zeuhl or not, from my part, they're a killer band, one of the best of the 90's.

[TheH]

I never thought of them as zeuhl, although they could very well fit the term.

The band has been lauded many times here https://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/4680-Japanese-Rock-Prog-or-Not?highlight=japan . It's a long thread so you need to browse a bit.

Zeuhl or not, from my part, they're a killer band, one of the best of the 90's.

I just own one of their Albums "II". At least this one is pure Zeuhl (and very good).

[Mascodagama]

I just own one of their Albums "II". At least this one is pure Zeuhl (and very good).
I managed to track down all of their albums on CD, which took a while. The Zeuhl quotient does decline over successive albums, but the quality doesn't - all six are excellent in my book.

[The Czar]

Eider Stellaire...I missed out on getting this on cd, anyone know if it will be back in print? I know Soleil Zeuhl has reissued other cds after a while?

[The Czar]

Also Wayside have a great sale on a lot of Soleil Zeuhl titles right now

[Mascodagama]

Just been listening to Yeti's Things To Come. What a blast! Twenty years old now, and the “don't give a fuck-ness” of their approach hasn't faded a bit.

RIP Doug and Tommy :(.

[NogbadTheBad]

Zeuhl article on bandcamp with a Steve F quote!

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/zeuhl-list?fbclid=IwAR01SnK7W3tTZX8eBNzf4_MD_YdVmlKRpXCs G13Xd5tH9MgpVc7RVWUMWEE

[Steve F.]

Zeuhl article on bandcamp with a Steve F quote!

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/zeuhl-list?fbclid=IwAR01SnK7W3tTZX8eBNzf4_MD_YdVmlKRpXCs G13Xd5tH9MgpVc7RVWUMWEE

Several Steve F quotes and several Alain L quotes aussi!

[battema]

That is a WONDERFUL article!!

[NogbadTheBad]

Pretty damn fine selection of tracks.

[Zeuhlmate]

Zeuhl article on bandcamp with a Steve F quote!

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/zeuhl-list?fbclid=IwAR01SnK7W3tTZX8eBNzf4_MD_YdVmlKRpXCs G13Xd5tH9MgpVc7RVWUMWEE

:up :beer

[Zappathustra]

So just and good that Bandcamp gives space to this music. Cheers :beer

[aith01]

So just and good that Bandcamp gives space to this music. Cheers :beer

Yes! Absolutely wonderful seeing an article like this, giving some much deserved attention to this music and the bands making it. And it made me happy to see Soleil Zeuhl and Cuneiform (and their respective bosses) given some spotlight as well. :)

[Mascodagama]

Yep, that's a great primer they offer there, and a really well-done piece.

Particularly happy to see Sotos included, which I love dearly (along with the other Hazera brothers project, Zaar).

[Trane]

Interesting BC page

I relistened to most of the featured album right from the page. :up

Zao was a bit of a re-discovery for me. Will spin the two albums I have ASAP.

japanese Zeuhl is definitely not my stuff anymore (not that it ever reallly was)... even Happy Family's Tossco (one of my fave japan album) was a little hard on my eardums.

[Marco]

Does anybody have news on that James Mac Gaw record that was supposed to come out this fall? Postponed due to COVID, I suppose?

[Marco]

Interesting BC page

I relistened to most of the featured album right from the page. :up

Zao was a bit of a re-discovery for me. Will spin the two albums I have ASAP.

japanese Zeuhl is definitely not my stuff anymore (not that it ever reallly was)... even Happy Family's Tossco (one of my fave japan album) was a little hard on my eardums.

I find the production on those Japanese records almost unbearable. Can't listen to Koenji without getting a headache 10 minutes into any record.

[Steve F.]

Does anybody have news on that James Mac Gaw record that was supposed to come out this fall? Postponed due to COVID, I suppose?

It's coming out in the next six months (??) via Soleil Zeuhl.

[aith01]

I find the production on those Japanese records almost unbearable. Can't listen to Koenji without getting a headache 10 minutes into any record.

Wow, that's unfortunate. I've never had a problem with any of Koenjihyakkei's album production.

Have you tried their latest one, Dhorimviskha?

[NogbadTheBad]

I find the Koenji albums 'aggressive ' but fantastic

[thedunno]

I find the Koenji albums 'aggressive ' but fantasticI love them too but I totally understand if people do not dig it. Its not exactly recorded very subtle and there is not much space to breath. The onslaught continues relentlessly.

[Marco]

It's coming out in the next six months (??) via Soleil Zeuhl.

Good to know. Hope James is doing okay.


Wow, that's unfortunate. I've never had a problem with any of Koenjihyakkei's album production.

Have you tried their latest one, Dhorimviskha?

Yup. Wasn't in the proper headspace for it though, I'll admit.

[Soleilzeuhl]

Does anybody have news on that James Mac Gaw record that was supposed to come out this fall? Postponed due to COVID, I suppose?

(for the moment) it is not postponed. Graphic work is almost finished, as is the mix/mastering. Hope to be able to launch the pressing soon....

A.

[The Czar]

(for the moment) it is not postponed. Graphic work is almost finished, as is the mix/mastering. Hope to be able to launch the pressing soon....

A.

Is there any word on if you'll do another run of the Eider Stellaire cd?
I missed it before it went out of print

[chalkpie]

I find the production on those Japanese records almost unbearable. Can't listen to Koenji without getting a headache 10 minutes into any record.

I think its more of the music itself than the production imo. Its an intense onslaught, but that's the purpose. I do have to be in the mood when I reach for those CDs.

The brilliance of Magma is they were/are able to rip your head off for minutes at a time akin to an apocalypse, and then a moment later you are in a tranquil trance floating on a dark surreal cloud with boiling lava simmering underneath....or something like that ;)

[Zeuhlmate]

I think its more of the music itself than the production imo. Its an intense onslaught, but that's the purpose. I do have to be in the mood when I reach for those CDs.

The brilliance of Magma is they were/are able to rip your head off for minutes at a time akin to an apocalypse, and then a moment later you are in a tranquil trance floating on a dark surreal cloud with boiling lava simmering underneath....or something like that ;)
:up

[aith01]

I think its more of the music itself than the production imo. Its an intense onslaught, but that's the purpose. I do have to be in the mood when I reach for those CDs.

The brilliance of Magma is they were/are able to rip your head off for minutes at a time akin to an apocalypse, and then a moment later you are in a tranquil trance floating on a dark surreal cloud with boiling lava simmering underneath....or something like that ;)

Yeah, I agree with this. :up

Also, I think the production on Dhorimviskha is really great. The music is pretty much relentless, but the sound itself is well balanced I think. :)

[Trane]

I find the production on those Japanese records almost unbearable. Can't listen to Koenji without getting a headache 10 minutes into any record.

For me, even without taking in consideration the production, it's the abstrude and relatively obtuse music on the discs that have repelled me of late

ditto for pre-Black Oni & Five Suns albums Guapo. (glad my library system had them on catalogue, coz I would've hated having to buy them)

[Splicer]

I'm listening to Le Grand Sbam's Vaisseau monde right now. Never heard it before. Is this parody?

[NogbadTheBad]

Nope, it's a terrific album.

[Soleilzeuhl]

Is there any word on if you'll do another run of the Eider Stellaire cd?
I missed it before it went out of print

Impossible to run a repress : Michel Le Bars accepted the reissue with a firm condition : NO REPRINT !
Odd but that's copyright holder's decision........

[Marco]

Impossible to run a repress : Michel Le Bars accepted the reissue with a firm condition : NO REPRINT !
Odd but that's copyright holder's decision........

Jesus. What about the vinyl?

[TheH]

Jesus. What about the vinyl?

If your are lucky to find one be prepared to be set back by 600 bucks at least.

The peculiar overstock issue (original Vinyl with the cover of the second Album and sticker saying "1rst Album")
is going for much less (still 200 bucks for a mint copy)

[The Czar]

Impossible to run a repress : Michel Le Bars accepted the reissue with a firm condition : NO REPRINT !
Odd but that's copyright holder's decision........

Apparently some musicians don't like money?

[Dana5140]

I have the vinyl. :-)

[cannygoodlike]

Impossible to run a repress : Michel Le Bars accepted the reissue with a firm condition : NO REPRINT !
Odd but that's copyright holder's decision........

So I own it only because I was lucky enough to get into this stuff at a time the reissue was available. That's really sad. It's a great album.

[Kcrimso]

Yeah, I agree with this. :up

Also, I think the production on Dhorimviskha is really great. The music is pretty much relentless, but the sound itself is well balanced I think. :)

Dhorimviskha is my favourite Koenjihyakkei album. Brilliant stuff and not quite as intense as some of their previous music.

[aith01]

Dhorimviskha is my favourite Koenjihyakkei album. Brilliant stuff and not quite as intense as some of their previous music.

I think it might be my favorite as well. Before it, I would have said their first album was still my fave. But Dhorimviskha just might top that one -- it isn't as intense, like you said. It's pretty amazing too.

[chalkpie]

I definitely don't mind when they ease off the gas pedal for a bit.....some breathing room can be a good thing. A lot of modern metal can be groovy and all - musically speaking - but the onslaught can get olde after 55 minutes straight.

[Zeuhlmate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYZp34HKug


Benoit Widemann - Keyboards
Emmanuel Borghi - Keyboards
James McGaw - Guitar
Philippe Bussonnet - Bass
Christian Vander - Drums

[Bytor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYZp34HKug


Benoit Widemann - Keyboards
Emmanuel Borghi - Keyboards
James McGaw - Guitar
Philippe Bussonnet - Bass
Christian Vander - Drums

This is nice. Too bad it's out of sync dammit. What a band...

[JKL2000]

I think it might be my favorite as well. Before it, I would have said their first album was still my fave. But Dhorimviskha just might top that one -- it isn't as intense, like you said. It's pretty amazing too.

What do you guys thing of "Hundred Sights of Koenji?" I ask because I think it's the only one of theirs I have, and I just found it in my basement. (I don't know if this is their first or not.)

[moecurlythanu]

I just found it in my basement.

Do you have a dog?

[TheH]

What do you guys thing of "Hundred Sights of Koenji?" I ask because I think it's the only one of theirs I have, and I just found it in my basement. (I don't know if this is their first or not.)

It is their first, the title just a translation of the band name. Production is much better on latter ones.

[Zeuhlmate]

What do you guys thing of "Hundred Sights of Koenji?" I ask because I think it's the only one of theirs I have, and I just found it in my basement. (I don't know if this is their first or not.)

Its good, but they get better and more focused. The second is probably the most powerfull, Nivraym (my favorite) has Kenso's keyboardplayer, the next two gets more versatile and perhaps somewhat jazz-fusion'ish with sax & singers.
I prefer the studioalbums.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/380205-Koenjihyakkei

[NogbadTheBad]

The middle 3 are my favorites with II probably just edging it, it sounds the heaviest to me.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I prefer Nivraym and the more jazzy approach of Angherr Shisspa.

Viva is great but the brutal charge means I can only take in a song or two before resting. Hundred Sights of Koenji has a fantastic sleeve and a handful of absolutely fabulous tunes, but the overtly open and 'reverberish' production actually reminds me of some of the 80s "symph" bands from Japan and doesn't do the intense music true justice - IMHO. I far prefer the intimate studio setting of Nivraym.

Also, Ruins' Symphonica is practically a Koenji-record due to Kenichi Oguchi's keys (from Kenso) and Aki Kubota's raw vocals. It mostly features older stripped-down Ruins material adapted into a full band-context. Very good.

[NogbadTheBad]

Also, Ruins' Symphonica is practically a Koenji-record due to Kenichi Oguchi's keys (from Kenso) and Aki Kubota's raw vocals. It mostly features older stripped-down Ruins material adapted into a full band-context. Very good.

Will hunt it out.

[thedunno]

In France now in a 'gite' with view at the Mont Ventoux and listening to Kohntarkosz. It sounds BETTER then ever.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210615/47fc93316183c2a2702c572e6156cb90.jpg

[Marco]

Gotta listen to the studio version of Köhntarkösz again this week. That keyboard solo is something else.


I have a zeuhl-inspired song here I released if y'all wanna check out. The bass tone is an obvious tribute to Bernard Paganotti and the drumming... well, I'll let you make the call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_yy9hua9L8

[Zeuhlmate]

Erik Baron | d-z Akørd* – De Futura (Hiroshima)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Id-Ply09AI

Never heard of Erik Baron before
https://www.discogs.com/artist/562514-Erik-Baron

[Dana5140]

I have the D'zAkord CD- it is a faithful rendition.

[thedunno]

American Zeuhl influenced band Fistfights with Wolves just released a new album.


https://fistfightswithwolves.bandcamp.com/album/the-sheep-that-eats-the-wolf

[Dana5140]

If you played me RFMP-43 and asked me to guess who the band was, I would have said Koenji Hyakkei.

[chalkpie]

In France now in a 'gite' with view at the Mont Ventoux and listening to Kohntarkosz. It sounds BETTER then ever.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210615/47fc93316183c2a2702c572e6156cb90.jpg

Sweet! Looks amazing. You might not be there anymore, but you are probably on the same planet still. We are going to France in July....Paris, Burgundy, Alsace, then Black Forest/Rhine. Krautrock.

[thedunno]

Sweet! Looks amazing. You might not be there anymore, but you are probably on the same planet still. We are going to France in July....Paris, Burgundy, Alsace, then Black Forest/Rhine. Krautrock.Shees, that already feels like ages ago.

When r u in Paris? Ghost Rhythms is doing a gig on July 12.

[chalkpie]

Shees, that already feels like ages ago.

When r u in Paris? Ghost Rhythms is doing a gig on July 12.

We are only Paris two nights...4 and 5 July....then we are off to see the wizard....

[Zeuhlmate]

Clinamens by Patrick Gauthier

https://patrick-gauthier.bandcamp.com/album/clinamens

Himiko Paganotti,
Isabelle Carpentier,
Antoine Paganotti (vcls),
Bernard Paganotti (bass electro-acoustic),
Patrick Gauthier (piano-composition),


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeO_dv-w6s

[Zeuhlmate]

Bernard Paganotti !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nwYMIo6C5o

[Bytor]

Bernard Paganotti !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nwYMIo6C5o

Nice stuff. Where does it come from?

[Conti]

Nice stuff. Where does it come from?

It comes from here:

https://www.discogs.com/master/2065816-Basses-Influences-Volume-2

Thanks to my pal Renato de Moraes for the tip.

[Conti]

Clinamens by Patrick Gauthier

https://patrick-gauthier.bandcamp.com/album/clinamens

Himiko Paganotti,
Isabelle Carpentier,
Antoine Paganotti (vcls),
Bernard Paganotti (bass electro-acoustic),
Patrick Gauthier (piano-composition),


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeO_dv-w6s

Great find! Didn't know this one. Thanks!

[Dana5140]

Offering in full flight, just supercharged!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIWHZUYBFms

[Dana5140]

I think the addition of Caroline Indjean to Magma has reaped huge benefit. Plus, I think she is leading the resurgence of social media for the band. Listen to her voice solo here in ER:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOj3fCV8zg

[arturs]

I was doing some of my geography research and came across this location in Texas. Doubt anyone there has ever heard of Magma, but still, an interesting coincidence...

http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/Zuehl-Texas.htm

[The Czar]

Caroline is amazing. I hope they allow her to shine on the next studio album

[Dana5140]

I was doing some of my geography research and came across this location in Texas. Doubt anyone there has ever heard of Magma, but still, an interesting coincidence...

http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralT...uehl-Texas.htm

I rode my bike down there. Zeuhl is outside New Braunfels, which is the heart of TX Hill Country.

[thedunno]

Any love for the new Rhun?

Nothing new under the sun but I am enjoying it immensly. Fat bass lovers heaven!

[Dana5140]

Caroline is amazing. I hope they allow her to shine on the next studio album

She's a pretty busy musician- playing in 2 bands with her husband, one that does Brazilian and Portuguese music, and another than plays music of the 60s and early 70s, as well as in the early music band with Laura Guarato, and then Magma on top of it all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BxL5DBVyQk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fGe2eOp5c4

[Hobo Chang Ba]

Any love for the new Rhun?

Nothing new under the sun but I am enjoying it immensly. Fat bass lovers heaven!

Found it a bit lacklaster after one listen. Doesn't really go anywhere nor did I find anything that tickled the ol' eardrums like their first album. (I don't really care about it being or not being new under the sun)

But ill keep going with it. Their previous album was top notch.

[Dana5140]

How's about a Magma show from 1983? N which you hear Magma play songs that became part of the Offering repertoire!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WkBCEheCxY

[Dana5140]

Superb show just cropped up on youtube!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emE_xBOvrxc

Edited to add this interview, with Chassol. This is really interesting, and has English subtitles. One of the things I learned here is that Christian wrote the composition Hhai at a time when Julie Vander had leukemia, as an attempt to create a positive healing force. This was back many years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxqTpa4ENs

[Zeuhlmate]

^^^Magma Bourdeaux 1975 is great!
Thanx.

[Dana5140]

Zeuhlmate, check this one out. Magma plays John Coltrane's Impressions at the end!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1eAP4eRRZY&t=6351s

[Zeuhlmate]

^^^ :up Who is on bass?

[Dana5140]

I do not know for sure. Will look further. Meantime, check this out! Stundehr!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7JL6YAryA

[Zeuhlmate]

I do not know for sure. Will look further. Meantime, check this out! Stundehr!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7JL6YAryA

Yes, this was interesting and exposed how Garber contributed to the Magma sound in the days.

[ashratom]

New Rhun album titled Tozzos coming out Mar 8. Second new album in as many years!

914986000

[calyx]

New Rhun album titled Tozzos coming out Mar 8. Second new album in as many years!

It's actually Part 2 of the previous album (the title supposedly means precisely that in their invented language), I believe they were recorded together.

[Zappathustra]

The new Rhun is killing it

[NogbadTheBad]

The new Rhun is killing it

For me it's better than the previous release, really cooking.

[Zappathustra]

For me it's better than the previous release, really cooking.

same here

[Dana5140]

I just found this interesting finding, unreleased second album tracks from Weidorje.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQLy028YZxk

[Zeuhlmate]

They sampled Magma "De Futura.
still crap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0swW-ahkM

[spacefreak]

For me it's better than the previous release, really cooking.

Agree.

[Rarebird]

They sampled Magma "De Futura.
still crap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0swW-ahkM

Terrible. Just as bad as Ghostface Killah - Block rock (which sampled Novalis - Dronz)

[Marco]

Death Grips are pretty good and so was their choice of sampling De Futura. Y'all got anything against hip hop?

[Rarebird]

Death Grips are pretty good and so was their choice of sampling De Futura. Y'all got anything against hip hop?

Not always, but these are not the examples I like, even if they sample music I'm fond of. I like some Nu-Metal, like Linkin Park and I like some Eminem. And I like the Dutch Eurovision song.

[JAMOOL]

Death Grips are pretty good and so was their choice of sampling De Futura. Y'all got anything against hip hop?

you don't have to have anything against hip-hop to dislike Death Grips, who purposely make their music abrasive and challenging for reasons that I think make their music a needlessly difficult listen sometimes, which is frustrating because sometimes they really are brilliant

this track I actually do like, I mean it really does use the sample well

[Dana5140]

That music doesn't really speak to me, but I appreciate any musician in any genre willing to cover or sample Magma.

Here's a bit of a timeline cleanse, if you need it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtPu4GsSScA

And then let me mess your timeline up again...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3zCwRoHcfo

[Zeuhlmate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilKFBM0Iw2I

[veteranof1000psychicwars]

Has anyone mentioned Pochakaite Malko?