Insomnia thread.

[Kim Olesen]

I've had sleep problems since i could remember. Always a light sleeper, combined with my ears ability to home in on any sound (a fantastic gift as musician but a fantastic obstacle to sleep too). Having tinitus does not help either and the last years my ears have gotten oversensitive to certain sounds too....

....oh how i envy those of you who can sleep a whole night without interruption...

Other insomniacs here?

[Adrian]

I've gone through several bouts of insomnia in my life, mostly related to my panic disorder. It's awful. I wouldn't wish sleeplessness on anyone.

I also have tinnitus, though a mild form, not enough to keep me up at night. I run a fan on my nightstand year-round, and the white noise tends to drown out the ringing.

[Kim Olesen]

I've gone through several bouts of insomnia in my life, mostly related to my panic disorder. It's awful. I wouldn't wish sleeplessness on anyone.

I also have tinnitus, though a mild form, not enough to keep me up at night. I run a fan on my nightstand year-round, and the white noise tends to drown out the ringing.

Mild tinitus here too. I normal listen to my iPod on shuffle on very low volumes. Normally enough to drown out the ringing. And essential to my sleep. I never travel anywhere without my ipod and ipod speaker. But some nights any sound is anoying, and since i have tinitus that goes in the any sound category too......

[Tangram]

I have had tinnitus for 20+ years. Luckily, I don't suffer from insomnia. I guess everyone's tinnitus may be different but having anything on when I try to sleep makes me crazy. I usually with sleep with earplugs if there is any noise such as road noise, air conditioners or fans. My ringing will go into overdrive and sometimes I get a buzzing on top of the ringing in my left ear with any other noise. I can handle the ringing but when I get additional sounds, its going to be a real long night. I can also get this anytime when I hear noise such as TV,music, subways etc. what I would give for silence.

[Scott Bails]

Kim - have you tried "white noise?" Like, one of those machines, or an "environmental" CD, etc.?

[SteveSly]

I have had insomnia problems for years and it can be one of the most frustrating things in the world to deal with. I have been with the same company for 26 years, but have worked just about every shift there is at one time or another. At one time I had to be in at 5:30AM everyday and it was a nightmare from an Insomniac perspective. When I tried to sleep I was so worried about getting to sleep that I could not sleep. I remember more than once going 48 hours without any sleep at all even though I was completely exhausted. About 8 years ago, in order to take a promotion, I switched to 3rd shift and got my doctor to give me an Ambien prescription. 3rd shift was a whole other animal, but the Ambien did help. About 2 years ago I switched to 2nd shift, which from an insomnia perspective is the best fit. If I can’t sleep, I often do not have to be up early in the morning so that I can sleep in. I can still easily stay up to 3 / 4 in the morning with no problem most of the time. I still take Ambien a lot although I have built up a tolerance and it does not work as well as it once did. The worst thing with Ambien it works much better on an empty stomach. With food in my stomach the stuff is practically worthless, if my stomach is empty it still works pretty good. My boss is currently trying to talk me into going back to 1st shift, and my biggest fear is having to deal with major insomnia problems again. We’ll see……

Steve Sly

[SteveSly]

Kim - have you tried "white noise?" Like, one of those machines, or an "environmental" CD, etc.?

Back when I was working 3rd shift I got a “white noise” machine in order to help block out sounds while I tried to sleep during the day. I would recommend these to anyone as they really do work well. Even though I am no longer on 3rd I still use it every night. I have it sitting on a table right next to my head on the bed. Another thing that they are great for is travelling. If you are staying in a hotel or in someone’s house they block out all of the noise from other rooms, outside, etc.

Steve Sly

[Dave (in MA)]

I have to have a white noise machine and a fan going.

[Obscured]

Been off the Ambien and Lunestra for a year and a half now after needing their help for about 2 years. Great stuff. Only took a teeny nibble to get the racing thoughts to stop and sleep. Felt great when I woke, although I was only able to get about 6 hrs. sleep from the pills, or nibbles. Very easy to stay up. Especially if you think you "only" have x amount of hours before you need to wake. What helped me was just trying to get any amount of solid rem shuteye and not worry about the time. Those pills really helped and were not addicting, ok, to a point, but was able to finally not need them. Had some apnea issues too which fed into the insomnia trouble. Stopped seeemingly as fast as the trouble started. Sleep soundly, although the slightest noise wakes me up. Sun mask and earplugs helped too. Good luck.

[Kim Olesen]

Kim - have you tried "white noise?" Like, one of those machines, or an "environmental" CD, etc.?

Static noise is hell to me. If i stay in a place where there is any kind of that i'm positively without sleep. I have my ipod and a little speaker playing at very low volumes. If i listen to music that i'm not familiar with the musicianbrain starts analyzing chord structures etc and i wake up rather than go to sleep.

[Trane]

No insomnia (can sleep in relatively/reasonably noisy conditions or evendon't need curtains if there are no stretlight shining on my bed


I'm always a bit astounded how some of our US colleagues can still be posting around in the European morning... It's around noon in Brussels, so it must be 3AM in LA and 6AM in NY... Dontcha have jobs, you bloody up-to-no-good bums??? ;)

I'm not complaing though... Because European mornings can be boring on PE

[sonic]

I've had sleep problems since i could remember. Always a light sleeper, combined with my ears ability to home in on any sound (a fantastic gift as musician but a fantastic obstacle to sleep too). Having tinitus does not help either and the last years my ears have gotten oversensitive to certain sounds too....

....oh how i envy those of you who can sleep a whole night without interruption...

Other insomniacs here?


I've gone through several bouts of insomnia in my life, mostly related to my panic disorder. It's awful. I wouldn't wish sleeplessness on anyone.

I also have tinnitus, though a mild form, not enough to keep me up at night. I run a fan on my nightstand year-round, and the white noise tends to drown out the ringing.
These posts reflect my situation. Since cutting out most morning work about 4 years ago my condition has been gradually improving. I tend to sleep after 4am and wake up at midday.

[ItalProgRules]

I've had sleep problems since i could remember. Always a light sleeper, combined with my ears ability to home in on any sound (a fantastic gift as musician but a fantastic obstacle to sleep too). Having tinitus does not help either and the last years my ears have gotten oversensitive to certain sounds too....

....oh how i envy those of you who can sleep a whole night without interruption...

Other insomniacs here?


Lifetime insomniac. Serotonin uptake disorder.

I stopped taking all prescription meds due to them leaving me a zombie the next day.. Except Ambien, which doesn't make you a zombie the next day, it makes you a zombie while you're sleeping (you could sleep right through a deadly fire.)

I take regular old over the counter melotonin if I have 2-3 straight sleepless nights. That stuff knocks me out good but not TOO good, with little in the way of side-effects next morning.

As a lifelong apartment dweller, my biggest problem is entertaining myself during long sleepless nights without waking the neighbors. Ambient music works well. Music For Airports is part of the soundtrack of my life for this reason.

[Dave (in MA)]

I'm always a bit astounded how some of our US colleagues can still be posting around in the European morning...
In an insomnia thread?

[Dave (in MA)]

Static noise is hell to me. If i stay in a place where there is any kind of that i'm positively without sleep.Can't sleep without it. IF the power goes out, I'm screwed. Every little click and pop in the house bugs me, and if I do manage to doze off I get awakened by the wife complaining that I'm breathing. :)

[Duncan Glenday]

I'm always a bit astounded how some of our US colleagues can still be posting around in the European morning... It's around noon in Brussels, so it must be 3AM in LA and 6AM in NY... Dontcha have jobs, you bloody up-to-no-good bums??? ;)


That's usually me - and a few other fellow insomniacs :(

I seem to have it under partial control since I started doing extensive physical activities. But there's always that one f***ing night where it doesn't matter what you do - you're awake. The worst is when your head hits the pillow and you fall asleep immediately. Then half an hour later you're suddenly awake, and you know that you won't be getting any more sleep for the next 24 hours...



I take regular old over the counter melotonin if I have 2-3 straight sleepless nights.

Same here - works well IF you go to bed immediately after taking it.

[ItalProgRules]

I work out 4-5x a week so physical exertion, unfortunately, doesn't help me.

I do rely a lot on white noise, usually a fan.

Drinking alcohol does not help, it hurts. Luckily, I rarely drink anymore after my medical scare 2 years ago.

[Jerjo]

Long time light sleeper with ADHD so yeah, some wicked insomnia. I take melatonin as well and it usually shuts down my rampaging brain enough so I can get to sleep. I've also had some luck with that new Zquil but I have serious doubts if it is safe. What is the worst if the melatonin wears off and I am woke up by something. If my mind gets racing, there's no going back to sleep. Best thing for me to do then is get out of bed and read or sit in front of the computer. At least I'll accomplish something.

[Vic2012]

Good lord is there anyone on PE who's not an insomniac or has tinitus? :lol

I'm not making fun of anyone, I might be an insomniac myself. For years my alarm was set for 4:30am (until recently), but I'm one of those guys that wakes up a couple times a night to look at the clock (1:02am, 02:15am, 3:20am :lol). In the last year or so I started beating the alarm. It was the anxiety of being startled by the alarm that got me up at 4 or 3:30am. On my days off I actually "sleep in" till around 5:30-6am. The only thing that works for me is those PM type pain relievers. I don't do serious, prescription type stuff at all. If I average 3-4 good hours of REM sleep I'm up and at 'em, and bright eyed n' bushy tailed ;).

[Scott Bails]

Not an insomniac, but definitely have tinnitus. :(


/not trying to derail the thread

[Duncan Glenday]

Good lord is there anyone on PE who's not an insomniac or has tinitus? :lol.

I definitely have both.

I wonder how much of a link exists between the two?

[Adrian]

I'm sure you've all heard tons of advice over the years on how to get to sleep. I've been on so many pharmaceuticals over the years for insomnia, panic disorder, and generalized anxiety that I've lost count. I got off all of them because I couldn't deal anymore with the side effects, especially the weight gain, which I struggle with to this day. Now I focus on herbal supplements. If you're looking for something else to try, valerian root has been -- for me, anyway -- a great herbal remedy for relaxing and getting to sleep. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[sonic]

Sometimes a good wank helps. ;) And no, I'm not joking. Of course, sometimes it keeps you up too. Can't win, I suppose.

[Dave (in MA)]

Here is an occasional remedy that works for me. C-SPAN, with the volume too low to make out what's being said, but high enough to hear. Face away from the TV. The Sylvian/Czukay CDs make good soundtracks, too. Sometimes I find that a hooded sweatshirt helps if it's cool enough in the room.

[Sharp]

I generally don't have insomnia but I do tend to wake up at night, although usually a piss and a sip of water and I am back to sleep quickly. Part of it is chronic sinus problems. I started using Breatheright strips and they do help, I sleep much longer and feel more rested in the morning. Also avoiding diuretics (eg alcohol, coffee, soda etc) before bed helps.

Now right now I do have insomnia but I think it may have something to do with having about six cups of coffee (my usual is three in the morning and that is it) at a diner with a friend of mine tonight :O

[Vic2012]

I definitely have both.

I wonder how much of a link exists between the two?

I wonder how much of a link there is between this obsession with music and insomnia. Most of us here seem like the analytical types. We get distracted by music because we have to analyze music (or art). I can't fall asleep listening to music (unless I've been doing :beer+X)). I think anxiety has a lot to do with it too. A lot here mention anxiety as part of the issue. That's me on all counts, anxious, slightly insomniac, tinitus (although not severe at all), analytical, not quite as obssesive compulsive as I used be though.....:lol

Having a sense of humor keeps me from losing my marbles though ;).

[Enid]

I have a bad case of insomnia possibly because of nightmares. I lived in a town during the 60's and 70's that was corrupted with cults. The 3rd generation Watchtower Society and a wealthy Satan worshippers sect that programmed kids in my youth. A sleepy little town between stations so it seemed. Not a place you'd be wanting to visit after hours when it gets dark. Rituals took place in that town that were all documented cases stated to be otherwise in publications like the New York Times and throwing only small hints of truthful evidence revolving around the theory of a wealthy sect. Hearing sing-song chanting, screams, chants, across the field or hiding to watch their rites progress. Watching my friends lose their minds after being tortured through Satanic ritual abuse. It happened a long time ago before kids became interested in "Heavy Metal" music, appyling the "Lost Boys" movie to their agenda etc. This was slightly different because the programming was produced through elders. I still have nightmares about it. I've written compositions which revolve around the experience in my youth. I'm not on medication, but my friends who survived are. The romantic side to the mysterious is beautiful, but the physical harm inflicted to children through Satanic ritual abuse is horrific. I have come into being, like the shadows and phantoms of the night.

[SteveSly]

I wonder how much of a link there is between this obsession with music and insomnia. Most of us here seem like the analytical types. We get distracted by music because we have to analyze music (or art). I can't fall asleep listening to music (unless I've been doing :beer+X)). I think anxiety has a lot to do with it too. A lot here mention anxiety as part of the issue. That's me on all counts, anxious, slightly insomniac, tinitus (although not severe at all), analytical, not quite as obssesive compulsive as I used be though.....:lol).

I am not at all obsessive compulsive, but I would say that anxiety sometimes plays a role in my insomnia issues.

Steve Sly

[Enid]

I believe the nightmares causing inability to sleep are triggered by what I may view/experience on an average day. It's very lonely and pathetic ..fighting/resisting nightmares. These corrupted sadistic people I met were living in a Jack London novel. They desire to gain power through the evil one by following a book of rules/beliefs which if you believe in the world of science, you may find these people delusional. They trust their lives to some ritual in a book and are willing and have been programmed to abduct a child or murder an innocent person who wants to be in peace and does not believe in their religion or maybe no religion at all. There are so many aspects to this way of life that define corruption. From my personal experience, the people who are programmed are on ego trips, insecure, shy or outwardly sadistic individuals that need psychological attention...where the wealthy cult leaders are selfish individuals who are cowardly enough to programme the weak by shocking them with a religion. Any harm mentally/physically inflicted upon a victim who has been captured is devistating at first..but later when the abuse becomes cemented into your life..you begin to use your brain and realize that this is nothing more than people using a religion to scare the crap outof you. There are no demons to see, spells can not work on you unless someone has placed roots in your food or drugged you..which logically is an indication that this all derives from medical science. It's someone in real flesh that's proceeding to place medicine in your food in order to keep your personality in a bardo state..so they can work on programming you. Lucifer, legions of demons, and supernatural experiences have little to do with any of this. Overall they do not and it is highly doubtful there is any power at all which derives from the underworld that is going to grant you power for real. I believe that position is moronic. I believe in a sense that these people don't truly want anything more than what the common criminal desires. The only seperation between themselves and the common low-life is that they believe in the power of a God and it's delusional how many of them consider themselves as a God. My lack of sleep from nightmares has more to do with a hands on experience and it may be no different than a child who has been physically beaten/abused. Recurring nightmares. Think about it. Think really hard. Once you've had an experience such as this one..a sleep disorder is a natural reaction to anyone.

[SteveSly]

Once you've had an experience such as this one..a sleep disorder is a natural reaction to anyone.

I have read this and some of your posts on other threads and can't say that I have had any experiences that would similar to yours, but I can certainly see where nightmares could be a result of what you have been through.

One weird thing I have noticed when taking Ambien is that I don't dream. Or if I do dream I don't remember dreaming. The other weird thing that happens is that if I take Ambien several nights in a row and then don't take it, I will have very very vivid dreams, sometimes nightmares that will wake me up. Ambien is such a strange drug.......

Steve Sly

[Enid]

I have read this and some of your posts on other threads and can't say that I have had any experiences that would similar to yours, but I can certainly see where nightmares could be a result of what you have been through.

One weird thing I have noticed when taking Ambien is that I don't dream. Or if I do dream I don't remember dreaming. The other weird thing that happens is that if I take Ambien several nights in a row and then don't take it, I will have very very vivid dreams, sometimes nightmares that will wake me up. Ambien is such a strange drug.......

Steve Sly

Thanks for your response. I am going to research Ambien.

[PeterG]

Kim, try having a classical radio station on during the night it works for me. Or a white noise machine that others have mentioned. I can sleep anywhere, anytime but there has to be backgorund noise, people, radio, TV, traffic. I can't sleep when there is total silence.

[nosebone]

Good lord Enid, write a book already!

A wank, 50 pushups and some Zquil always gives me the Z's

[Burley Wright]

I'm 61 and have had mild (I guess) tinnitus for 5-10 years now. I have always slept with a fan running in the room for white noise. If I sleep unassisted I'll go 3-4 hours but when I get up during the night for the call of nature I usually can't go back to sleep and end up getting up for a couple of hours and then (usually) going back to sleep for a couple more hours. I used melatonin for quite a while which helped but then got to where it didn't help as much so I now take 50mg (2 tablets) of diphenhydramine hydrochloride (the medicine brand named Benadryl) which is marketed as an antihistamine and also a sleep aid. I buy the Sam's Club product sold as an antihistamine because it's significantly less expensive than the sleep aid (exact same medicine). Now when I get up at night I can go back to sleep. Downside is I do have some "diphenhydramine hangover" in the mornings, not bad and for me worth it to sleep better at night. I do have dreams and also fewer complaints from the wife about snoring when I use it.
So I'd try melatonin first since it's not technically a drug (so I've read) but a substance the body produces naturally and then if that doesn't work try the diphenhydramine.

Good luck.

[Dave (in MA)]

Do you notice that when you take Benadryl you sleep for 5 hours and then wake up suddenly?

[Duncan Glenday]

I get that with Nyquil - but it's just 2 hours...

[SteveSly]

I'm 61 and have had mild (I guess) tinnitus for 5-10 years now. I have always slept with a fan running in the room for white noise. If I sleep unassisted I'll go 3-4 hours but when I get up during the night for the call of nature I usually can't go back to sleep and end up getting up for a couple of hours and then (usually) going back to sleep for a couple more hours. I used melatonin for quite a while which helped but then got to where it didn't help as much so I now take 50mg (2 tablets) of diphenhydramine hydrochloride (the medicine brand named Benadryl) which is marketed as an antihistamine and also a sleep aid. I buy the Sam's Club product sold as an antihistamine because it's significantly less expensive than the sleep aid (exact same medicine). Now when I get up at night I can go back to sleep. Downside is I do have some "diphenhydramine hangover" in the mornings, not bad and for me worth it to sleep better at night. I do have dreams and also fewer complaints from the wife about snoring when I use it.
So I'd try melatonin first since it's not technically a drug (so I've read) but a substance the body produces naturally and then if that doesn't work try the diphenhydramine.

Good luck.

Before I got an Ambien perscription I used to use Benadryl and other over the counters (they are all basically the same antihistimine drug), but had the same problem in that even though they would help me sleep I would have a hangover effect the next day and feel groggy. One nice thing with Ambien is that there is no hangover effect at all. The drug gets out of your system quickly so there is no lasting effect. On the other hand sometimes they only work for about 4 hours so it may not keep you asleep long enough.

Steve Sly

[Burley Wright]

With diphenhydramine (Benadryl) I don't wake up after any consistent time span, just when I have to "go". As for feeling groggy the next morning I've pretty much gotten used to it and feel it's worth it to sleep better. Also I'm retired so I don't have to get to work every morning. I've never used Ambien or Lunestra so I can't comment on them. They're prescription so the doctor has to write a script and they're presumably more expensive. A friend of mine took some prescription sleep aid (not sure which) and said he had a dependency issue develop so he quit taking it.

[Enid]

[QUOTE=nosebone;82640]Good lord Enid, write a book already!

A wank, and 50 pushups and some Zquil always gives me the Z's[/Q

:lol

[SteveSly]

With diphenhydramine (Benadryl) I don't wake up after any consistent time span, just when I have to "go". As for feeling groggy the next morning I've pretty much gotten used to it and feel it's worth it to sleep better. Also I'm retired so I don't have to get to work every morning. I've never used Ambien or Lunestra so I can't comment on them. They're prescription so the doctor has to write a script and they're presumably more expensive. A friend of mine took some prescription sleep aid (not sure which) and said he had a dependency issue develop so he quit taking it.

There is no physical dependency with Ambien, but there certainly can be a physiological dependency from my experience.

Steve Sly

[Kim Olesen]

I have read this and some of your posts on other threads and can't say that I have had any experiences that would similar to yours, but I can certainly see where nightmares could be a result of what you have been through.

One weird thing I have noticed when taking Ambien is that I don't dream. Or if I do dream I don't remember dreaming. The other weird thing that happens is that if I take Ambien several nights in a row and then don't take it, I will have very very vivid dreams, sometimes nightmares that will wake me up. Ambien is such a strange drug.......

Steve Sly

I too take a pill (not regular sleeping pills, just something that will put me to sleep and is gone from the system in a couple of hours, don't know if thats the same medication as ambien....) in case of emergency. Meaning i have to get sleep because i got important things next day i need to be fresh for. And my experience is exactly the same. Dreamless sleep. And after a couple of days when i stop taking them VERY lively dreams.

[Kim Olesen]

There is no physical dependency with Ambien, but there certainly can be a physiological dependency from my experience.

Steve Sly

My experience too. After being helped by medication you get the feeling that it will be impossible to sleep without. So i have set up really strict rules for myself as to when i allow myself to take them.

[ItalProgRules]

Before I got an Ambien perscription I used to use Benadryl and other over the counters (they are all basically the same antihistimine drug), but had the same problem in that even though they would help me sleep I would have a hangover effect the next day and feel groggy. One nice thing with Ambien is that there is no hangover effect at all. The drug gets out of your system quickly so there is no lasting effect. On the other hand sometimes they only work for about 4 hours so it may not keep you asleep long enough.

Steve Sly


Ambien knocks me out for 9-10 hours, which is a few hours too long, plus the fact that people have died by not waking up when their house was on fire, for example, due to Ambien. But I agree, it's the least groggy-inducing script sleep aid.

X) will dependably work with no after effects, but I usually wake up after 4 hours or so.

[SteveSly]

Ambien knocks me out for 9-10 hours, which is a few hours too long, plus the fact that people have died by not waking up when their house was on fire, for example, due to Ambien. But I agree, it's the least groggy-inducing script sleep aid.

X) will dependably work with no after effects, but I usually wake up after 4 hours or so.

Ambien generally only lasts about 6 hours max for me (and often less), but if I wake up I can usually fall back to sleep. It does knock you completely out though and sleeping through something like that would not surprise me.

Steve Sly

[SuperTed]

I can sleep for Ireland but I do have tinnitus in both ears (the left moreso than the right) - thankfully I've become accustomed to it for the most part.

On a somewhat related note, there's a good article on the BBC site about the "myth" of the 8-hour sleep

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783

[Romerovm]

I am suprised most of you stay away from alcohol. I mean I am not recommending people to get drunk, but when I feel restless or anxious a couple of scotchs take care of that and I am able to sleep at least 6 hrs.

[JKL2000]

I just wanted to mention that I have no problems sleeping, and no Tinnitus.

In fact, I'm best on about 6 hours of sleep, and I almost always fall asleep quickly.

[Jerjo]

I've been resorting to zquil lately and while it works, it keeps me down and useless for too long. And I really wonder how safe that stuff is in the long term.

[JKL2000]

I have a bad case of insomnia possibly because of nightmares. I lived in a town during the 60's and 70's that was corrupted with cults. The 3rd generation Watchtower Society and a wealthy Satan worshippers sect that programmed kids in my youth. A sleepy little town between stations so it seemed. Not a place you'd be wanting to visit after hours when it gets dark. Rituals took place in that town that were all documented cases stated to be otherwise in publications like the New York Times and throwing only small hints of truthful evidence revolving around the theory of a wealthy sect. Hearing sing-song chanting, screams, chants, across the field or hiding to watch their rites progress. Watching my friends lose their minds after being tortured through Satanic ritual abuse. It happened a long time ago before kids became interested in "Heavy Metal" music, appyling the "Lost Boys" movie to their agenda etc. This was slightly different because the programming was produced through elders. I still have nightmares about it. I've written compositions which revolve around the experience in my youth. I'm not on medication, but my friends who survived are. The romantic side to the mysterious is beautiful, but the physical harm inflicted to children through Satanic ritual abuse is horrific. I have come into being, like the shadows and phantoms of the night.

Enid, what town was this?

[Duncan Glenday]

I have a bad case of insomnia possibly because of nightmares. I lived in a town during the 60's and 70's that was corrupted with cults. The 3rd generation Watchtower Society and a wealthy Satan worshippers sect that programmed kids in my youth. A sleepy little town between stations so it seemed. Not a place you'd be wanting to visit after hours when it gets dark. Rituals took place in that town that were all documented cases stated to be otherwise in publications like the New York Times and throwing only small hints of truthful evidence revolving around the theory of a wealthy sect. Hearing sing-song chanting, screams, chants, across the field or hiding to watch their rites progress. Watching my friends lose their minds after being tortured through Satanic ritual abuse. It happened a long time ago before kids became interested in "Heavy Metal" music, appyling the "Lost Boys" movie to their agenda etc. This was slightly different because the programming was produced through elders. I still have nightmares about it. I've written compositions which revolve around the experience in my youth. I'm not on medication, but my friends who survived are. The romantic side to the mysterious is beautiful, but the physical harm inflicted to children through Satanic ritual abuse is horrific. I have come into being, like the shadows and phantoms of the night.


I believe the nightmares causing inability to sleep are triggered by what I may view/experience on an average day. It's very lonely and pathetic ..fighting/resisting nightmares. These corrupted sadistic people I met were living in a Jack London novel. They desire to gain power through the evil one by following a book of rules/beliefs which if you believe in the world of science, you may find these people delusional. They trust their lives to some ritual in a book and are willing and have been programmed to abduct a child or murder an innocent person who wants to be in peace and does not believe in their religion or maybe no religion at all. There are so many aspects to this way of life that define corruption. From my personal experience, the people who are programmed are on ego trips, insecure, shy or outwardly sadistic individuals that need psychological attention...where the wealthy cult leaders are selfish individuals who are cowardly enough to programme the weak by shocking them with a religion. Any harm mentally/physically inflicted upon a victim who has been captured is devistating at first..but later when the abuse becomes cemented into your life..you begin to use your brain and realize that this is nothing more than people using a religion to scare the crap outof you. There are no demons to see, spells can not work on you unless someone has placed roots in your food or drugged you..which logically is an indication that this all derives from medical science. It's someone in real flesh that's proceeding to place medicine in your food in order to keep your personality in a bardo state..so they can work on programming you. Lucifer, legions of demons, and supernatural experiences have little to do with any of this. Overall they do not and it is highly doubtful there is any power at all which derives from the underworld that is going to grant you power for real. I believe that position is moronic. I believe in a sense that these people don't truly want anything more than what the common criminal desires. The only seperation between themselves and the common low-life is that they believe in the power of a God and it's delusional how many of them consider themselves as a God. My lack of sleep from nightmares has more to do with a hands on experience and it may be no different than a child who has been physically beaten/abused. Recurring nightmares. Think about it. Think really hard. Once you've had an experience such as this one..a sleep disorder is a natural reaction to anyone.

Very interesting posts. Going (a bit) off the insomnia topic, I would be fascinated to hear more information (details included) about your childhood experiences - if you're comfortable sharing them.

(BTW - don't take this as a criticism - but could you use more paragraph-breaks? It's hard to read long posts with my bad eyes, and I really do want to read them fully ;))

[BobM]

Generally get those insomniac bouts when I am over stressed. Doring those times I find that melotonin helps me fall asleep, but occasionally I do still wake up in the middle of thee night and am unable to get back to sleep. Then it's a trip to the fridge for some milk and honey graham crackers. That usually does the trick. Or sometimes just changing venues and sleeping on the couch works.

Anything other than lying there watching the clock tick over. Better to get up and move rather than watch 2 hours go by.

No tinnitus.

[Progmatic]

I always put some progressive music into my CD changer and then fall asleep like a baby...never fails...

[JKL2000]

I always put some progressive music into my CD changer and then fall asleep like a baby...never fails...

Same here. I'm always bummed at how quickly I start dozing off. Even just lying down and reading for 10 minutes is enough.

[Shadow]

Damn, three pages already. I must have slept through this one.

[nosebone]

I can't sleep, so I started watching Jack Reacher.

[Jefferson James]

Ambien -- that's some crazy shit right there. I don't usually suffer insomnia or sleeping problems but a few years ago my girlfriend did and her doctor prescribed Ambien; I noticed she would sort of zombie-out shortly after taking her dose, it was like she was there but wasn't there. It was creepy.

I started taking the stuff and noticed if I "fought through" the initial feeling of sleepiness I could stay awake for a long time and it was almost like being on acid; huge trails everywhere, points of light coming at me like lasers, black-light fog machines; I kinda liked it even though I found myself doing things like frying an entire package of bacon at 2:30AM, eating the whole thing, and waking up on the couch the next morning with bacon grease all over my face and absolutely no memory of the night before. I wrote a good chunk of the music I did for Marco Minnemann's "Normalizer 2" project under the influence of Ambien if I'm not mistraken.

It could be fun sometimes; we stayed at this cool old house in Palm Springs once and after my girlfriend fell asleep, I totally re-arranged the living room and damned if it wasn't ten times better than before (we went back a year later and my arrangement was still in place). Need some interior design? Call me!

We had a couple of episodes that scared us, however; once we were vacationing in San Francisco; my girlfriend woke up around 1:00AM (she's usually an early to bed, early to rise person) and she noticed I wasn't in the hotel room. She tried calling me but my phone was in the room so she went down to the street and found me in a nearby bar harassing the house band to play Todd Rundgren. I could barely recall anything but I do remember them finally playing "I Saw the Light."

Another time we were renting a mountain cabin; we both took Ambien, she crashed out, I stayed awake and somehow managed to "get lost" in the woods around the cabin. I have very little memory of what happened but my plan was to take a moonlight walk down a little dirt path we'd walked earlier. I got off the path and at some point fell down, striking my ribcage against a tree branch or something -- I honestly don't remember. I was "lost" for a good couple of hours before I managed to see the light outside the cabin. I woke up the next morning with oak leaves in my hair, dirt all over my shirt and pants, and severe pain in my ribs.

Lord knows what happened but I have never touched the stuff again (neither has my girlfriend). That is some weird shit. Yes, I abused it, and no, I will never touch the stuff again. It frightens me to think of how many people are taking the stuff, doctors seem to hand it out like candy. When used correctly it's likely harmless but be careful -- that stuff messes with some deep-down shit.

[BobM]

Wow, what a story. You've warned me off that.

I'll stick with homeopathic remidies, like Melatonin, milk and crackers, reading before bed, music, ambient noise, etc. I'm not a night after night insomniac, so I can go the occasional day in a tired state. I usually catch up on night 2, or sometimes 3, but never longer than that.

Part of my insomnia stems from RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome) that comes and goes. Anyone else suffer from this?

[JKL2000]

> I got off the path and at some point fell down, striking my ribcage against a tree branch or something -- I honestly don't remember.
> I was "lost" for a good couple of hours before I managed to see the light outside the cabin. I woke up the next morning
>with oak leaves in my hair, dirt all over my shirt and pants, and severe pain in my ribs.

Good times.

[SteveSly]

Ahh……Ambien stories…..they are always entertaining. As mentioned earlier in the thread I am pretty much addicted to the stuff and have built up quite a tolerance, but it can be fun sometimes. I can’t say I ever have had any acid like effects from it, but the memory loss and munchies (especially cooking up really weird shit and then wondering why your stomach feels like hell the next morning) are totally true for me. Still…..insomnia is an incredible problem for me, and Ambien has really helped in this regard, so I am still a proponent of it. I just wish it worked as good with food in your stomach as it does on an empty one. For me, if I have food in my stomach when I take it, the drug is pretty much worthless.

Steve Sly

[mozo-pg]

Pot can do some of the same things you're talkin' about - no hallucinations though. I don't have insomnia but I drink a ton of water due to a physical health problem and wake up 7 or 8 times a night, only for a few minutes but a few times it takes 5 minutes to get back to sleep - a real drag. I find myself drifting off at work where I'm in meeting when I'm not leading/talking. I pinch myself hard to stay awake. It's happened at senior level meetings (yikes).

[mozo-pg]

Funny thing - it's highly unusual that I'm not asleep by 10:30 or 11. Tonight I'm having problems sleeping - the irony! :lol

[Duncan Glenday]

So I took a Melatonin thing last night - slept just fine.

I stay in a hotel during the week (business travel), and at 3:45am the f***ing fire alarm went off. I'm groggy as shit and it took a few minutes ti figure out WTF was happening - and got dressed while hotel staff are knocking on all the doors including mine telling us all to get TF out.

3:50am and I'm standing in the parking lot, a fire truck loaded with firefighters pitches up and ... sure 'nuff ... the whole f***ing thing turns out to be a false alarm.

4:05am and I'm back in bed, and needless to say, no chance in hell of any more sleep :(

[walt]

I can't remember how many years its been since I was able to sleep through the night.I awake 3 or 4 times a night,mostly to urinate.I'm usually able to fall back asleep soon but its still not satisfactory sleep.

I need to see a sleep apnea specialist and/or urologist.

[mozo-pg]

I can't remember how many years its been since I was able to sleep through the night.I awake 3 or 4 times a night,mostly to urinate.I'm usually able to fall back asleep soon but its still not satisfactory sleep.

I need to see a sleep apnea specialist and/or urologist.

Sounds like me but I'm up more than you Walt.

[Shadow]

Sounds like me but I'm up more than you Walt.

Stop taking those little blue pills before bed. ;)

[tom unbound]

Ambien - tried it a few times and ... I don't know why, but I just didn't like it.

"So I took a Melatonin thing last night - slept just fine." - next on my list-

I'm up until 2am every nite and wake at 7. If I crash early, say 12, I'm up after 5 hours sleep at 5am. And I mean up - no chance of going back to sleep. (even with a little X) ) ( X) I find is almost a substitute for sleep sometimes. Time stoned = time asleep)

[mozo-pg]

I asked for it. Doh.

[mozo-pg]

Ambien - tried it a few times and ... I don't know why, but I just didn't like it.

"So I took a Melatonin thing last night - slept just fine." - next on my list-

I'm up until 2am every nite and wake at 7. If I crash early, say 12, I'm up after 5 hours sleep at 5am. And I mean up - no chance of going back to sleep. (even with a little X) ) ( X) I find is almost a substitute for sleep sometimes. Time stoned = time asleep)

X) works great but you always wake up early 5 or 6 and can't get back down to sleep.

[Yanks2014]

Major insomniac here, and for well over 20 years. For a long time I would take Tylenol PM, but my body became used to it, and it stopped working. I tried a few other things, some over the counter, some prescriptions. I settled on Lunesta, and it works like a charm. But I'm on so many meds, I keep trying different ways to fall asleep. You know, warm milk, booze, whatever. A co-worker turned me on to Yogi tea, and that worked for a little while, but that was it. I decided to take an extreme measure, and I bought one of those Sleep Number beds. Found out quickly my number is right in the middle, 50. Within a week I stopped taking Lunesta, and got a good 3 weeks straight of good sleep. But then my arrhythmia kicked it, and caused breathing problems, so I was back to Lunesta every night, and even that wasn't working. Now that my arrhythmia is under control, I'm able to sleep thanks to having a great mattress. If I toss and turn at all, then I take a Lunesta. At this point I wouldn't say I'm cured, but I have my insomnia under control. It's a great feeling knowing I'm likely to get a full night's sleep, quite amazing really. I HIGHLY recommend both Lunesta and the Sleep Number beds, they should hire me to do ads. The beds are NOT cheap! Over 2K for mine, and it's only a full, not even queen size. But for me, worth every penny.

[Yanks2014]

Ambien - tried it a few times and ... I don't know why, but I just didn't like it.
"So I took a Melatonin thing last night - slept just fine." - next on my list-


Melatonin did not work at all for me. Ambien is good, they give me that in the hospital. Lunesta still works better for me, but both are good sleep aids.

[SteveSly]

Melatonin did not work at all for me. Ambien is good, they give me that in the hospital. Lunesta still works better for me, but both are good sleep aids.

Being an Ambien addict I am curious as to your thought regarding comparing it to Lunesta. I have never tried Lunesta so since you have tried them both I would be interested in what you think the plus and minuses are to both? For me Ambien is worthless if I have food in my stomach and I have heard Lunesta is similar. What has been your experience?

Steve Sly

[SteveSly]

Hey guess what........it is 2AM in the morning and I am still awake. I have a couple of beers, and an ambien with me, bu still seem to be alive and kickeing. Insomnia sucks ass!

Steve Sly

[Duncan Glenday]

Hey guess what........it is 2AM in the morning and I am still awake. I have a couple of beers, and an ambien with me, bu still seem to be alive and kickeing. Insomnia sucks ass!

Steve Sly

I'm also awake. This despite an hour's hard workout in the gym followed by a Melatonin.



<sigh>

[Kim Olesen]

I'm also awake. This despite an hour's hard workout in the gym followed by a Melatonin.



<sigh>

I find that excercise or sport before bed is not conductive to good sleep. All the endorphines are pinging round making sleep impossoble.

[Kim Olesen]

I guess my use of Ambien is one a week on avarage. At the moment it's been 2 weeks since i had the last one. I have a question for those that have developed a tolerance to ambien. Will i develop a tolerance even with this moderate use?

[BobM]

I also have RLS - Restless Leg Syndrome. This is my major problem, other than stress, waking up after an hour or so of sleep and just not able to help moving my legs about. Feels like ants on my legs and an irresistible need to twitch and move them. When that happens I take a Requip and get up and move about for about 15 minutes until it kicks in. Then I usually sleep until morning.

I'm afraid to take it every night because I don't want to become immune to it, so I only use it when needed.

[Yanks2014]

Being an Ambien addict I am curious as to your thought regarding comparing it to Lunesta. I have never tried Lunesta so since you have tried them both I would be interested in what you think the plus and minuses are to both? For me Ambien is worthless if I have food in my stomach and I have heard Lunesta is similar. What has been your experience?

Steve Sly

Maybe it's a matter of eating too late at night. I take Lunesta 15 to 20 minutes before trying to go to sleep. And it's likely 3 to 4 hours after I last ate. I found Ambien to work nearly the same as Lunesta, neither give that drugged dopey feeling of being knocked out. I'm told by my Doctor that long term I'm better off with Lunesta, as it's less likely to cause dependence. Can't tell you why, don't remember.

[BobM]

Does it cause memory loss? |)

[Yanks2014]

I guess my use of Ambien is one a week on avarage. At the moment it's been 2 weeks since i had the last one. I have a question for those that have developed a tolerance to ambien. Will i develop a tolerance even with this moderate use?

That would suck developing a tollerance -which happened with Tylenol PM. I've been taking Lunesta for several years and no such tollerance, thank goodness, still works as well as when I first took it. They really should hire me as a spokesperson!

[SteveSly]

I guess my use of Ambien is one a week on avarage. At the moment it's been 2 weeks since i had the last one. I have a question for those that have developed a tolerance to ambien. Will i develop a tolerance even with this moderate use?

I would not think so. Working the weird shifts that I have (and still do) I became an everyday user of it and built up the tolerance. I would not think that just using it occasionally as you do that the same thing would happen.

Steve Sly

[SteveSly]

I also have RLS - Restless Leg Syndrome. This is my major problem, other than stress, waking up after an hour or so of sleep and just not able to help moving my legs about. Feels like ants on my legs and an irresistible need to twitch and move them. When that happens I take a Requip and get up and move about for about 15 minutes until it kicks in. Then I usually sleep until morning.

I'm afraid to take it every night because I don't want to become immune to it, so I only use it when needed.

My wife has restless leg syndrome too and to be honest…….it impacts me more than it does her. She can still sleep like a log, but will kick in the bed…….usually me! But, she it does not wake her up, she sleeps right through it. Her father had the same problem. He had it so bad that he and his wife ended up sleeping in separate beds.

Steve Sly

[mozo-pg]

There is a simple equation for insomnia for me. I have physical health issues (that I'm not disclosing although nobody asked anyway :p ) that lead me to drink water every hour overnight. This means I'm up to the washroom during the same intervals. I've not had a decent sleep in 10 years and unfortunately find myself drowsy in meetings where you're just listening to other people speak. I'm in a series of intense management meetings this week that leaves me 30 minutes of free time to address a ton of emails and manage my team/files. Do you know when you start to dwell on work issues during the evenings? I actually don't do this often but when I do I'm up much later and ruminating on work. I love my job but I'd give it a 9/10 on the stress meter - never having time to address everything on my plate. Work equals insomnia for me.

[BobM]

My wife has restless leg syndrome too and to be honest…….it impacts me more than it does her. She can still sleep like a log, but will kick in the bed…….usually me!

Yes, my wife complains about that occasionally, and when she does I usually look inward and realize that I was tossing all night, slightly waking up a lot but not enough to consciously do anything about it. Not quite fully asleep and not really awake and feeling pretty tired in the morning. I bet it is affecting her, and I know it is a pain for you. I try to identify those nights early and move to the couch with a Requip.

[Progmatic]

My wife has restless leg syndrome too and to be honest…….it impacts me more than it does her. She can still sleep like a log, but will kick in the bed…….usually me! But, she it does not wake her up, she sleeps right through it. Her father had the same problem. He had it so bad that he and his wife ended up sleeping in separate beds.

Steve Sly

It sounds like my dog...when she starts to shake and whine in the sleep nobody can sleep

[firth5th]

I read a book a few years ago "say goodnight to insomnia" or something like that. Mostly cured my insomnia.

[Scott Bails]

No idea if you all know this stuff, but it's free to post links, so maybe this will help some of you. (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/big-data-download/better-sleep-gadgets-164850562.html)

[SteveSly]

Like most sleep articles this assumes that a person lives a “normal” life and works a “normal” schedule. A big part of my problem is that I never go to bed or get up at the same time due to my work schedule. I work 2nd shift (a normal night for me would be 2:30PM to 11:30PM), but I often have to be in for meetings early in the morning. For example, every Wednesday I have to be at a 6:00AM meeting. I typically leave work earlier the night before, but this typically happens 2 to 3 days a week, thus I am never able to get into any kind of repeated sleep pattern. In a given week I may go to bed anytime between 10PM to 3AM and get up anytime between 5AM and 11AM mostly depending on my work schedule. Prior to moving to 2nd shift a few years ago, I used to work 3rd shift where the problem was even worse. I also seem to be in the minority where I have a lot more problems falling asleep than I do staying asleep. I have issues with both, but falling asleep is definitely the more problematic symptom for me.

Steve Sly

[Scott Bails]

You're never going to overcome insomnia with a schedule like that, Steve. I can't believe your employer makes you do that.

[SteveSly]

You're never going to overcome insomnia with a schedule like that, Steve. I can't believe your employer makes you do that.

Well it somewhat comes with the territory. I work in a 24 hour 3 shift operation so when meetings and things happen (which they do a lot in my job) somebody has to sacrifice. We try to rotate things around among the shifts to equal things out, but the off shifters still end up bearing the brunt of it. As a former 3rd shifter I would say it is worse for them having to come in for meetings in the afternoon than it is for me coming in for meetings in the morning. I spent about 8 years on 3rd and don’t care if I ever go back to it. Talk about really messed up sleep! All in all I get paid really well for what I do, so I can’t complain, but working my schedule can certainly wreck havoc on my sleeping pattern.

Steve Sly

[Vic2012]

^ I worked 3rd shift for years too. I hated it but it was a good job. The best shift ever for me was 2nd shift (swing shift). You can do so much before work and you sleep your life away.

[SteveSly]

^ I worked 3rd shift for years too. I hated it but it was a good job. The best shift ever for me was 2nd shift (swing shift). You can do so much before work and you sleep your life away.

I am pretty happy on 2nd shift. It helps me deal with my insomnia problems and like you say, as long as you can get your ass out of bed in the morning, you can get a lot done. I have been with the company I work for for 26 years so I have a lot of vacation, so if there is something I really want to do, I can usually get it off. Also with my daytime meetings my schedule can be somewhat flexible which also helps. Anyway, at this point I am planning on staying on 2nd shift until I retire.

Steve Sly

[Dave (in MA)]

I have to stop sleeping so late on Sundays. I was still wide awake at 5AM this morning.

[mozo-pg]

I also have RLS - Restless Leg Syndrome. This is my major problem, other than stress, waking up after an hour or so of sleep and just not able to help moving my legs about. Feels like ants on my legs and an irresistible need to twitch and move them. When that happens I take a Requip and get up and move about for about 15 minutes until it kicks in. Then I usually sleep until morning.

I'm afraid to take it every night because I don't want to become immune to it, so I only use it when needed.

This is a serious condition. One of best friend has it - she has to go to bed early as the medication makes her sleep. It really seems to dominate her life. Sorry about that.

[Jerjo]

I've been fighting a little low-grade cough n' cold. Saturday afternoon I felt like utter shit and took a nap that ended up lasting three hours. I felt rejuvenated. But when I went to bed around midnight I did nothing but toss and turn, my mind darting everywhere, until at least six am or so when I fell asleep. Woke up a couple hours later, let the dog out to pee, fed the cats, and made a breakfast. My wife continued sawing logs. I fell back asleep for maybe two and a half hours. Now it's approaching midnight and my mind is still wide awake. I went to the medicine chest to consider Zzzquil and there were a couple of Nyquil knockoffs in there as well. Then I remembered my wife stocking us up last trip to Costco. I went to a storage closet and behold, Nyquil. It was the original nasty green formula and it tasted toxic chemicals spewed from a goat's ass but when that shit kicks in I'll be out for hours. Sweet, peaceful hours.

[PeterG]

Kim - have you tried "white noise?" Like, one of those machines, or an "environmental" CD, etc.?

This is a very good suggestion Kim. My wife needs to use a "white noise" CD to sleep, hers is basically a low slow melodic hum.

[Jerjo]

There's an app for phones and tablets called Sleep Pillow. It creates white noise and host of other effects.

[WytchCrypt]

I've been an insomniac forever (mostly because I can't stop thinking/worrying about stuff) but about 20 years ago I found something that works great and now I can't sleep without it. I put on some music (originally CD's but now on mp3) with big ear covering headphones and I drop off within the hour...works like a charm. If I wake up during the night (which still frequently happens) I just start some more music and I'm back to sleep in no time. The choice of music is important...my 1st choice is prog followed by goth/darkwave...the more stereophonically interesting the better ;)

My theory is that my mind is so busy getting lost in the music that it doesn't have time to worry/overthink!

[BobM]

Allergy season up here in NY, so for the month of may I am battling a leaky nose, a cough, and the RLS kicks in again. It really seems to be a bad year, Claritin is doing very little for me. I've resorted to a 1/2 teaspoon of my wife's codeine cough syrup. Dries me right up but I get some damn weird dreams. :horns

[SteveSly]

Allergy season up here in NY, so for the month of may I am battling a leaky nose, a cough, and the RLS kicks in again. It really seems to be a bad year, Claritin is doing very little for me. I've resorted to a 1/2 teaspoon of my wife's codeine cough syrup. Dries me right up but I get some damn weird dreams. :horns



If you get nasal congestion when you sleep try the over the counter nose spray Afrin. During allergy season I use it just about every night. It will dry your head right up for about 12 hours. It was a miracle drug for me when a friend recommended it a few years ago.

Then again if you have access to Codine cough syrup........yea I would go with that :)

[Dave (in MA)]

I put on some music (originally CD's but now on mp3) with big ear covering headphones and I drop off within the hour

http://www.amazon.com/AcousticSheep-SleepPhones-Classic-Headphones-Medium/dp/B0046H8ZHS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400278422&sr=8-1&keywords=sleep+headphones&tag=digitalca0daa06-20

[WytchCrypt]

http://www.amazon.com/AcousticSheep-SleepPhones-Classic-Headphones-Medium/dp/B0046H8ZHS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400278422&sr=8-1&keywords=sleep+headphones&tag=digitalca0daa06-20

One of the problems with regular headphones is trying to fall asleep on your side, but those look great...Thanks!

[Vic2012]

Then again if you have access to a big fattie........yea I would go with that :)

Fixed that for ya. :lol

[Scott Bails]

My wife has restless leg syndrome too and to be honest…….it impacts me more than it does her. She can still sleep like a log, but will kick in the bed…….usually me! But, she it does not wake her up, she sleeps right through it. Her father had the same problem. He had it so bad that he and his wife ended up sleeping in separate beds.

Steve Sly

Was just talking about RLS with my parents the other day, and my mother mentioned that she heard that putting a bar of soap under the sheets somehow cures this. Of course, I think this is insane, but she swore that it was true. Maybe a Google search might provide some insight? I figured it was worth a shot...

[tom unbound]

Was just talking about RLS with my parents the other day, and my mother mentioned that she heard that putting a bar of soap under the sheets somehow cures this. Of course, I think this is insane, but she swore that it was true. Maybe a Google search might provide some insight? I figured it was worth a shot...
I've heard of this a few times before. Guesses were the sleeper needed some traction running in a dream or something like that. They say it works, yeah it makes no sense to me, but so easy to try !

[SteveSly]

Was just talking about RLS with my parents the other day, and my mother mentioned that she heard that putting a bar of soap under the sheets somehow cures this. Of course, I think this is insane, but she swore that it was true. Maybe a Google search might provide some insight? I figured it was worth a shot...

Mmm.......never heard that one. My wife thinks that Vitamin B helps. The company I work for actually makes a perscription drug for RLS that is supposedly the first of it's kind. She has not tried it.

Actually, the best thing we ever did was get a King Size bed a little over a year ago. She can kick away all night and all it disturbs is the cats. :)

[SteveSly]

Fixed that for ya. :lol

:D

[Camelogue]

Music helps me fall asleep, it helps me to get going and it keeps me going.

Music, not love is the answer.

[highaltitude]

to tell you the truth (never proof), since oficially the 14 years old and unnofficially since 4, following all people consuming nukes around (lol)... I've never got any kind of innsomia, headache or whatever sort of problem related,,,lol, I've always thought that to sleep 5 min inmediately, drying a glass of whisky is the best...lol kind

[SteveSly]

to tell you the truth (never proof), since oficially the 14 years old and unnofficially since 4, following all people consuming nukes around (lol)... I've never got any kind of innsomia, headache or whatever sort of problem related,,,lol, I've always thought that to sleep 5 min inmediately, drying a glass of whisky is the best...lol kind

My wife is like that. She can sleep anyplace anytime anywhere. I envy you both.

[highaltitude]

God Bless You, thank you very much....lol

My wife is like that. She can sleep anyplace anytime anywhere. I envy you both.