Alan Gowen - Before a Word Is Said

[calyx]

Have they ever done anything together???

Richard replaced Ron Mathewson on bass for one set at Ronnie Scott's by Gary Windo, Robert Wyatt and Dave MacRae. This was released, thanks to Michael King, a couple of years ago.

[Zappathustra]

They are also both - IMO - the EMBODIMENT of the essence of the Canterbury sound and ethos.

Well...true.

[alucard]

If *only* there was an English-language book about the Canterbury scene!

Good idea to spin this remarkable album right about now, btw. I think I shall do so ASAP.

Cross fingers, that Aymeric Leroy finds an editor willing to,publish his excellent French book on 'the School of Canterbury' in English.

[bondegezou]

Cross fingers, that Aymeric Leroy finds an editor willing to,publish his excellent French book on 'the School of Canterbury' in English.

Ou, nous apprenons tous le français.

Henry

[rcarlberg]

It's all Greek to me.

[rcarlberg]

This was released, thanks to Michael King, a couple of years ago.

Under what title? I see "Steam Radio Tapes" has Wyatt & Windo, but Hopper & MacCormick not Sinclair, and Carla Bley & Pam Windo not MacRae.

[Edit: "One Night Stand" by WMWS (2015), I see it now]

[jkelman]

LOVE Before a Word is Said! and, when I was in London in the fall of 1983, I saw an early version of Phil Miller's In Cahoots at a pub in Kentish Town: Miller, Richard Sinclair, Pip Pyle, Pete Lemer and Elton Dean. Amazing show, which they let me record (I asked first; even then...and had they said no, I’d not have done it). They opened with a long look at one of my fave tracks from BaWiS: the opening track, "Above and Below."

It was one helluva memorable evening, with a jaw-dropping "Calyx," along with some music that would ultimately show up in later In Cahoots albums.

Talk about right place, right time!!

[rcarlberg]

How good's your recording?

cc: SF

[Steve F.]

How good's your recording?

cc: SF

No one cares (I.E is willing to spend money) about something like this.

[Udi Koomran]

LOVE Before a Word is Said! and, when I was in London in the fall of 1983, I saw an early version of Phil Miller's In Cahoots at a pub in Kentish Town: Miller, Richard Sinclair, Pip Pyle, Pete Lemer and Elton Dean. Amazing show, which they let me record (I asked first; even then...and had they said no, I’d not have done it). They opened with a long look at one of my fave tracks from BaWiS: the opening track, "Above and Below."

It was one helluva memorable evening, with a jaw-dropping "Calyx," along with some music that would ultimately show up in later In Cahoots albums.

Talk about right place, right time!!

John could that have been in 1984 and not 83 ?

[jkelman]

John could that have been in 1984 and not 83 ?

Nope. 1983 for sure. I remember the year I went for a month-long UK trip (had an unlimited Brit Rail pass, so went all the way out to the Hebrides (well, them, by boat). Fall of that year, mid-September to mid-October.

[jkelman]

How good's your recording?

cc: SF

I'd say excellent (sitting front table center with stereo mike on the table) audience recording...but not something that would be of enough interest for a label to pick up and clean up for sale, as Steve F was alluding. But it's very clear, though there is definitely some of the room in it.

[interbellum]

Ordered, still filling gaps in my Canterbury collection.

Finally found a good-priced copy of the Voiceprint edition from 1995 and just like the first Gilgamesh which I recently discovered this is a really fine addition to my Canterbury collection as well. Love Gowen's Minimoog-playing; reminds me sometimes of Max Middleton's stuff.

[calyx]

Max Middleton, really ? You don’t mean Jan Hammer ? I think of MM primarily as a Rhodes player...

[arturs]

I'd say excellent (sitting front table center with stereo mike on the table) audience recording...but not something that would be of enough interest for a label to pick up and clean up for sale, as Steve F was alluding. But it's very clear, though there is definitely some of the room in it.

John, are you aware of the Phil Miller legacy website? We had a brief thread about it a few months ago. Doug Boyle runs the site and is putting up some Phil live recordings. He might be interested in digitizing your tape and making it available on the site.

https://philmillerthelegacy.com/music/

[calyx]

I met with Doug and Herm (Phil’s widow) yesterday and there are lots of recordings in line for inclusion on the site (next up is one I made), and I will make my collection of In Cahoots recordings (which includes John’s - if he allows it to be shared in this way - it is one of the earliest documents of the band in existence) available, as Phil’s own archives has gaps - he apparently taped over things, so some of the soundboards I got from Pip’s cassettes years ago would turn out to be the only extant versions.

[interbellum]

Max Middleton, really ? You don’t mean Jan Hammer ? I think of MM primarily as a Rhodes player...

Ha, ha, yeah, I know what you mean. Of course Hammer was also on my mind, but some of the things Middleton did with Annette Peacock on The Perfect Release for example made me think of him listening to this album.
But yes, Middleton also has a typical, recognizable way of playing the Rhodes I really like.

[Udi Koomran]

Nope. 1983 for sure. I remember the year I went for a month-long UK trip (had an unlimited Brit Rail pass, so went all the way out to the Hebrides (well, them, by boat). Fall of that year, mid-September to mid-October.

I was asking cause I saw them too
Bull & Gate
1985
Great show

[pb2015]

Speaking of the Phil Miller legacy site, I didn't know that they had added a second gig from National Health's spring 1979 European tour.