I'd take Clemson at those odds.
I'd take Clemson at those odds.
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It's an incredibly compelling game. Alabama was missing some defensive players when they lost to Auburn, but they'll be healthy for the Clemson game. If I was to bet, it would probably be on the underdog, regardless of who it was, for the value (they really seem like evenly-matched teams).Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad
It is pretty funny that Alabama is a three point favorite, though, considering how they almost didn't make it in.
The Colts were 18 point favorites in Super Bowl III
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Big underdogs do win games on occasion.
But in that particular case, the teams played in different leagues and had no common opponents. The opponents had no common opponents. Also, it was 1969, and nobody could watch a game unless it played in their geographic region. The Colts were the big favorite because they were the NFL and the Jets weren't.
All in all, a terrible example to use, especially considering that there are contemporary examples that don't suffer from these issues.
It figures you wouldn't get it. But hey, thanks for telling me the differences between the NFL in 1969 and college fb in 2017.
The point is that that is why the PLAY the game. Odds and betting lines mean squat. If they meant anything they wouldn't need to play the game. Posting micro changes of a point or 2 in a betting line of a game that will likely never vary by more than 3 on either side on almost a daily basis is completely inane. I picked the most extreme football example because I knew it would fly right over your head.
And I explained to you why your example was terrible. It "flew over my head" because it was both poorly-conceived and crudely expressed.
"The Colts were 18 point favorites in Super Bowl III."
How is that factual statement "crudely expressed"?
Wow, you are really a piece of work Lil' Sweet. Never seen anyone who had so much trouble dealing with facts.
They also tanked the game.
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Yeah, they busted their asses in training camp, and through a long hard season to try to win a championship, then decided at the last minute that they didn't really want it. Athletes were so fickle back in those days.
I'll let you talk to a close friend of Johnny Unitas. It only took two back then, the quarterback and the coach. Funny how they ended up in sunny Miami.
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Ok, I've got to ask (against my better judgment).....why would the Colts tank the game and become the embarrassment of the NFL in losing to that "Mickey mouse" AFL team? If you've watched the NFL Films Americas Game DVD of the 1970 SB win for the Colts, and see Mike Curtis almost brought to tears and choking up because even though they won SB V, he said it can never make up for the pain of losing that game to the Jets, you might conclude otherwise.
Unless you were born before 1960 it is a waste of my time explaining to you like everyone else here who just doesn't understand professional football is a business not a game. Do you think Thursday night games are here for entertainment despite the fact of all the injuries the players are complaining about.
This was from Bubba Smith:
"This might sound crazy, but I don't think the game was kosher. In order for the merger to go through [the Jets] had to win. If you read the terms of the merger, if [the AFL] didn't establish credibility by the end of three years, the terms of the merger were null and void. You're talking the difference between millions and billions of dollars. The line opened at 18 and went down to 15 or something like that because a big bet had been placed on the game. And I know where that bet came from. It came from Baltimore, from someone on the team, from what I understand."
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I was born before 1960 and I understand that football is a business as well as entertainment. But I'm sorry, this is hogwash. If this is true, you've got the sports scandal of the century. How has everyone in the media ignored the scandal of the century for decades!
You're saying Earl Morrall, the NFL MVP that year, who could cement his place in NFL history forever with a SB win, and Don Shula, the winningest coach of all time and a guy who is renowned for his integrity and character,threw the game on the orders of presumably the owner and at the direction of the NFL and presumably Rozelle, so the AFL could look good and justify the merger.
Ridiculous. You can't keep a conspiracy like that under wraps for decades. Maybe Bubba should have played better. You think a guy like Mike Curtis would be quiet about this for decades? I know for diehard Colts fans that loss stings, but come on. You've got to man up and take it.
Otherwise as a Vikings fan who suffered through the same thing the very next year, you gave me an excuse for our disaster. Did the Vikes have to lose to make it 2-2 for both leagues going into the merger?
Also, in order to win big bucks on the point spread to cover a big bet, the Colts wouldn't have needed to lose the game--they could have much easier kept the score within a few TDs and some big bettor still wins big on the spread. That's the whole key to point shaving scandals (see Boston College bball).
Contact Bob Ley at ESPN or Costas and break this--you could be famous!
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Orr is known for his part in a play in Super Bowl III against the New York Jets. On the last play of the first half, Colt quarterback Earl Morrall handed off to Tom Matte, who then threw a lateral back to Morrall in a flea-flicker play. Orr was wide open and waving in the end zone, but Morrall did not see him (perhaps because Orr was camouflaged by a backdrop of uniformed band members outlining the end zone). Morrall threw instead to fullback Jerry Hill, but the ball was intercepted by New York Jets safety Jim Hudson. Bill Curry the center said Jesus Christ even I saw him standing there waiving his arms.
Why do you think the Colts didn't kick a field goal against the Giants in overtime vs taking a chance fumbling the ball at the goal line. There was a bet on the game and the three point win wouldn't have covered the spread.
My neighbor's step mother would tell you exactly what Johnny Unitas told her which he would never say in public. When they brought Unitas in he marched downfield like slicing butter with a hot knife, then throws an interception in the end zone. The Jets were like the Patriots after watching all the films of the other teams practices. It's almost like someone gave the Jets defense the Colts playbook.
This wasn't about point shaving it was done to make the Jets look like a super power team to justify the merger.
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Geraldo, we need you get out to Baltimore and interview Shadow's neighbor's stepmother asap. We are going to break the biggest sports scandal in history since the Black Sox scandal! Jimmy Orr was wide open!
(I've got the entire SBIII broadcast by the way, ESPN or NFL Network showed it a few years back, have watched it several times)
C'mon. Everybody knows that open receivers are never missed in the NFL. Especially in the End Zone. Had to be rigged.
As a kid I was utterly devastated for years by the Chiefs beating the Vikings in SBIV, even after the huge upset the year before. Thought there is no way that is going to happen again (Vikes were also at least 2 TD favorites), Vikes had absolutely pulverized the NFL that year etc. I was sure the Vikings were on the verge of becoming the Packers of the 70s. Then years later after I played football myself, followed football religiously and learned more about the game, realized how ill prepared the Vikes were for KC's offense. Watching several different versions of NFL Films highlights etc, it pains me to say it but Bud Grant was outcoached by Stram. Didn't prepare for KC's motion and those trap plays, gadget plays etc. They used Page's and Marshall's quickness against them. But also grew to appreciate and understand just how good some of those KC players were---Bobby Bell, Lanier, Otis Taylor etc. They were absolute studs.
Funny thing was, as poorly as Minn played all game, they were still very much in the game after scoring in the 3rd Q to make it 16-7. They had some momentum going and it was a ballgame. Then KC killed that momentum by throwing a short pass to Taylor which should have been about an 8-10 yard gain at most, and due to pathetic lousy missed tackles by Minn DBs, allowed Taylor to score down the sideline for about a 50 yard TD. Forced to pass a lot more and play from behind, the Vikes then sealed it with too many turnovers. Still stings. But Bud Grant would never throw a game.
I rooted for the Vikings to win at least one SB. Always liked Fran Tarkenton. I always felt bad for them that they couldn't find a way to win at least one of those. But, if I was a Bills fan I'd have been on suicide watch. They did something remarkable in the early 90s, going to 4 straight Super Bowls,.........and losing them all of course, with each loss progressively worse than the previous one. Still, it's nothing to sneeze at.
What I find oddly ironic and somewhat humorous is how much attention and credit the Bills are given for losing 4 SB in a row (and 3 of them ass kickings), and the Vikes are rarely given the same "credit" for losing 4 within 8 years. Still a dominant run of 4 NFC championships etc, and the Vikes had a decade of great playoff football in that era. So even in their failures to win the SB, the Vikes have to take a backseat to the Bills on NFL Films shows and 30for30 specials etc, because it wasn't 4 in a row...
and unfortunately, for some reason I still have never figured out, Tark saved his worst football for those 3 SB he lost.
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After the Colts tanked super bowl III there was no way they could get another team to do what Shula and Morrall did, hence the introduction of steroids. Of the next 12 super bowls only two NFL teams won. The NFL was the dominate league who always got first pick of the better college players. Steroids were introduced to the AFL teams to make them more competitive. The next 13 super bowls were won by NFL teams. So the NFL teams finally discovered steroids or the testing and banning put the league back where it should have been.
Nobody wants to believe OJ committed those murders, but we all know he did.
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Back to Conspiracy Central, lol.
5 of the first 10 SB winners once the merger occurred were by former NFL teams (Colts and Steelers).
And the majority of reasonable people I know fully understand that OJ committed those murders.
The Steelers were a God awful team before the introduction of steroids.
And the majority of reasonable people I know didn't vote for Donald Trump, look how that turned out.
Did you know the Ravens weren't the only Baltimore team to have the lights turned off on them to save a game for financial reasons. During Ripkens streak there was a domestic call at the Ripkens house which would have prevented him from making the game in time to start. They turned off a section of lights until he got there preventing the game from starting on time.
You mentioned the Colts training hard to win only to tank the game. Only one player on the field tanked the game besides the head coach, and that was the quarterback. Boxers who knew they were taking a dive still trained hard just to stay in shape. Horses that are going to tank a race are still trained hard to win the big money ten races down the road. How do you think a pool shark gets a big payoff from a sucker. You gotta lose to win. Just like Bubba said, you are talking a difference between millions and billions.
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Watching Weber State vs. James Madison.
The Steelers were a godawful team for years, allowing them to draft at the top of the league and accumulate guys like Greene, Bradshaw, Franco, Lambert, Ham and a bunch of other HOFers; and they found a coach to coach them up in Noll.
As for your roids theory that only AFL teams were taking them for years and not NFL teams, and that magically turned into SB wins, in the absence of some credible proof or at the very least a statement from your neighbors stepmom, I'll have to call balderdash.
Ed has been spouting his "Steelers/steroids, Steroids/Steelers mantra for the past half century now. Let us finally address this once and for all.
Yes, a few players admitted to using steroids in the 70's. Are you so naive as to think they were the only team in the league with players using
them? Really? You would be hard pressed to find a team that wasn't then. (and probably now) Another thing you conveniently neglect to point
out, is that they were LEGAL back then! It was perfectly ok by the league for a player to use them if he wanted to. These were not banned substances.
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