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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    Well, we don't have to see eye-to-eye. It's okay if we agree to disagree.

    I don't necessarily believe the Beach Boys were better or worse than the Beatles -- but there was a friendly rivalry between the two groups, and I think it benefited them both.

    Also, I used to feel similarly about the Beach Boys when I was younger. I thought they were just sunny surf pop "kiddie" music without substance. That all changed when I heard Brian Wilson's SMiLE release in 2004. Shortly thereafter I bought Pet Sounds and have been a fan ever since. Wilson was an innovator in the studio, and was doing things back then that simply weren't being done by many others, but that are commonplace now -- and it was with very limiting technology on top of that. He was someone who saw how to use the studio as another instrument.

    Just my two cents.
    Talk about getting off topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Talk about getting off topic
    Uhm... Yeah, okay.

    Whatever that's supposed to mean.
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    Not normally a fan of spoken word either but I'll make an exception for Claudia Quintet with Kurt Elling & Theo Blackmann - What Is The Beautiful? A modern jazz album where it works quite wonderfully.

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    Fuji Fujimoto - Skyrise (Skyrise/2016)



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    the latest tune from Jimmy Chamberlin Complex

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    Quote Originally Posted by auxfnx View Post
    the latest tune from Jimmy Chamberlin Complex
    Whoa, I didn't realize they had done anything new since Life Begins Again. Nice!

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    Pierrick Pedron - Clock Road (AnD the/2016)



    Kick the Cat - Yo! (Weirdo (2005)

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  8. #133
    This topic is probably the most important topic facing ALL music today. As jazz has lost popularity over the decades, it's dragged the rest of music right down with it.

    Understanding jazz from a drumming and percussion perspective along with understanding the harmonic structure of jazz has had a bigger impact on all the great musics of the last 60 years. As this understanding diminishes, so does all music especially progressive rock.

    True Jazz intellect is so much more sophisticated than anything rock musicians have been able to muster up over the years. The classical musicians brought a different palate that lacked the excitement of improvisation. That improv mentality is what drew so many toward Rock and Roll back in the 1950's. It was freeing and open and players didn't have to read sheet music to play a gig. The best blues came from jazz leaning ears, and when rock embraced jazz and blended in classical structures... that was the foundation of progressive rock.

    Now jazz is the least popular genre of music. All the sophistication that was once so influencing on the broad scope of music across the boards, even pop music, is not in the ears of most musicians today.

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    bullshit originally posted by Skullhead

    This topic is probably the most important topic facing ALL music today. As jazz has lost popularity over the decades, it's dragged the rest of music right down with it.

    Understanding jazz from a drumming and percussion perspective along with understanding the harmonic structure of jazz has had a bigger impact on all the great musics of the last 60 years. As this understanding diminishes, so does all music especially progressive rock.

    True Jazz intellect is so much more sophisticated than anything rock musicians have been able to muster up over the years. The classical musicians brought a different palate that lacked the excitement of improvisation. That improv mentality is what drew so many toward Rock and Roll back in the 1950's. It was freeing and open and players didn't have to read sheet music to play a gig. The best blues came from jazz leaning ears, and when rock embraced jazz and blended in classical structures... that was the foundation of progressive rock.

    Now jazz is the least popular genre of music. All the sophistication that was once so influencing on the broad scope of music across the boards, even pop music, is not in the ears of most musicians today.
    I don't even like music
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    Yeah, I know I may go on a little strong, but the reason why we're all here on PE is because we listen to the music, rather than the vocals or lyrics. Of course TAAB without Anderson's incredible and (almost) overly present tirade would not be so good.

    why we like JR/F is that it is mostly instrumental and usually the best form of vocals in the JR/F genre is scat vocals.


    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    Well, we don't have to see eye-to-eye. It's okay if we agree to disagree.

    I don't necessarily believe the Beach Boys were better or worse than the Beatles -- but there was a friendly rivalry between the two groups, and I think it benefited them both.

    Also, I used to feel similarly about the Beach Boys when I was younger. I thought they were just sunny surf pop "kiddie" music without substance. That all changed when I heard Brian Wilson's SMiLE release in 2004. Shortly thereafter I bought Pet Sounds and have been a fan ever since. Wilson was an innovator in the studio, and was doing things back then that simply weren't being done by many others, but that are commonplace now -- and it was with very limiting technology on top of that. He was someone who saw how to use the studio as another instrument.

    Just my two cents.
    Well, I feel the same way about Yes... If I could hear TFTO without Jon's mumbo-jumbo philosophical crapping polluting something like 80 to 90% of that album, I could grow to actually LISTEN to it and appreciate the music behind it... Ditto with GG, whose music i always found a bit flooded in their overly present vocal harmonies

    As for Pet Sounds' vocal-less tracks and normal album, isn't it ironic (and extremely funny, actually ) that the best track is (by far) the instrumental called We'll Go Away For A While, which is not only aptly titled (since TBB can only be about the vocals), but the only musical idea really worthy on the album. The only track that's worthy of being on Sgt Pepper, while only Harrision Without You wouldn't find a place to better Pet Sounds.

    My 0.4 cents


    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Talk about getting off topic
    my bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    If I could hear TFTO without Jon's mumbo-jumbo philosophical crapping polluting something like 80 to 90% of that album, I could grow to actually LISTEN to it

    Tales from Topographic Oceans doesn't happen without Jon's inspiration both melodically and lyrically. Nor does it happen without Howe's understanding of jazz harmonic structure that he learned listening to people like George Benson and Wes Montgomery.

    Maybe better to think of Jon as speaking a different language than you understand? A lot of foreign languages will sound like mumbo jumbo if you don't know the language. You could take the time to learn what they are saying or not. Probably just easier to criticize than make an attempt to investigate further.

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    I dont have that problem since I rarely pay attention to the lyrics. They are the toppings, if the rest is good.
    have no more problems with Topographic Oceans than with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0KjRsbXy6g

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    Been enjoying this cd since it arrived a few days ago.Sarathy Korwar-Day To Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    If I could hear TFTO without Jon's mumbo-jumbo philosophical crapping polluting something like 80 to 90% of that album, I could grow to actually LISTEN to it and appreciate the music behind it...
    sounds like you have not yet downloaded my special edition of TFTO...

    https://www.mediafire.com/folder/hql...in_album_epic)
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    can't go wrong with Joachim and friends anytime

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    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Frank Woeste - Buzz Addict (Pocket Rhapsody/2016)



    René Engel - Time For Some Tukker-Rock (Slow Life/2013)



    The Jazz Ministry - Cocktail (live @ The Baked Potato 2013)

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    Quote Originally Posted by proggosaurus View Post

    René Engel - Time For Some Tukker-Rock (Slow Life/2013)

    Although I can't play this video, I can tell this is featuring the great Richard Hallenbeek on guitar.
    And.... "Tukker" is not an English word.

    René Engel lives in a region called Twente, which is in the Eastern part of The Netherlands. People living there are called Tukkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svetonio View Post
    this is really dope. does he have any albums out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by interbellum View Post
    Although I can't play this video, I can tell this is featuring the great Richard Hallenbeek on guitar.
    And.... "Tukker" is not an English word.

    René Engel lives in a region called Twente, which is in the Eastern part of The Netherlands. People living there are called Tukkers.
    I changed the vid to my own channel. I only like to use it occasionally. gonna have to figure something out on them YT Topic videos. Richard is awesome. he seems really humble and very appreciative of his peers. I like that about him most of all. his interview with Shawn is a must read. Tukkers, heh? change that T to the 6th and that's what I'd call most people round me. you in the Nlands too? I like that guitarist Rarebird (is it Renata?) posted too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auxfnx View Post
    this is really dope. does he have any albums out?
    Pera Krstajić is a Belgrade's bass player that is now studying at Berklee College of Music, so not solo album yet, but he played at debut album of Qzama Quartet, also from Serbia. Btw I saw him last night as he arrived in Serbia for the holidays and played as a guest at the concert of MoonJune's artist Dušan Jevtović.
    Those tracks are from Qzama Quartet's debut CD:





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    In addition to his bass playing technique, Pera Krstajić shows a sumptuous talent for composing, and I can't wait for his debut CD; this is also his composition:

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    outta tune, outta time, outta everything...just like I like it. there might be some jazz fusion somewhere on this avant prog obscurity. from Slovenia, wherever that is. it's wonderful no less and most importantly, there's a bit of flute. Merry Christmas everybody! best wishes to you and your loved ones

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