Jethro Tull - RökFlöte (April 2023)

[polmico]

Maybe he smoked the smoke machines?

He's been in that killer fog for too long. He needs something to get up and go to school with.

[Geoff O'Donoghue]

I think this will be the first Jethro Tull album that I didn't know how to pronounce.

(Although being from the Boston area, folks might argue with my pronunciation of Woh Child, Heavy Hosses, Stomwatch and Undah Wraps.)

[MudShark22]

I think this will be the first Jethro Tull album that I didn't know how to pronounce.

(Although being from the Boston area, folks might argue with my pronunciation of Woh Child, Heavy Hosses, Stomwatch and Undah Wraps.)

My brother has been in "Quinzy" for 30 years now - his accent is an unmistakable mixture of Boston metro and Northern NJ - i.e. awful

[Rarebird]

I think this will be the first Jethro Tull album that I didn't know how to pronounce.

(Although being from the Boston area, folks might argue with my pronunciation of Woh Child, Heavy Hosses, Stomwatch and Undah Wraps.)

Perhaps something like Rukfleut (based on the pronunciation of my family name)

[Mister Triscuits]

The catch is that, while the Rök part is apparently a Norse word meaning fate or doom, as in Ragnarök, Flöte is AFAIK strictly German. The (modern) Scandinavian words for flute are fløyte, fløjte, and fljöt (Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish).

[Dave (in MA)]

I think the umlauts are merely a ploy to try to snag a Heavy Metal Grammy to add to the infamously-awarded Hard Rock/Metal one.

[arturs]

The catch is that, while the Rök part is apparently a Norse word meaning fate or doom, as in Ragnarök, Flöte is AFAIK strictly German. The (modern) Scandinavian words for flute are fløyte, fløjte, and fljöt (Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish).

Should we trust Google translate?

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[BarryLI]

More new albums, so maybe that lung disease Ian was talking about to Dan Rather is not so incurable.
I think this is the first time Jethro Tull has back to back releases within a year since 1979-80 (Stormwatch & A) that explains his recent output that is a good thing (Zealot Gene and this one).

https://globalnews.ca/news/6939404/j...ears.%E2%80%9D

He was pretty much talking about asthma which a shit ton of people have (including moi), it's not curable but with meds and inhalers you can lead a pretty normal life, so...

[Dave (in MA)]

He specifically mentioned COPD, a class of lung afflictions of which emphysema is part of. This usually caused by smoking, but some elderly rock star former heavy smokers prefer to run with the Smoke Machine story for some reason. Maybe he's trying to make it seem like a job-related illness.

[moecurlythanu]

Should we trust Google translate?

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Well, the end is open for a power hitter. Just have to screw the bowl into an opening on the body near the end.

I can see it.

[MudShark22]

Or it's like Kissing Willie.

[aith01]

Well, the ADL seems to have a different idea. https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/sonnenrad
The symbol is much older and used in various cultures, just like the swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika It is also used in Hinduism. I now an Indian schoolmate of mine had a swastika on the case he transported his schoolstuff in.
I suppose Ian Anderson used it more as a reference to Nordic mythology, than as a symbol of nazism. Which can also be seen in the title of the album.

Thank you for this. Some reasonableness never hurt anyone.

I like this paragraph, taken from the above site:

Because sonnenrad imagery is used by many cultures around the world, one should not assume that most sonnenrad-like images necessarily denote racism or white supremacy; rather, they should be analyzed carefully in the context in which they appear.

More people should follow this recommendation instead of being so quick to throw around accusations. I'm not speaking about anyone here on PE or in this thread, but in the world at large (and especially the Internet) the wanton use of "nazi" and "fascist" has only served to lessen their weight and make it easier for actual nazis to shrug off legitimate allegations. IMO.

Having said all that, I think it was probably a wise move for Ian to change the artwork.

[Koreabruce]

Thank you for this. Some reasonableness never hurt anyone.

I like this paragraph, taken from the above site:


More people should follow this recommendation instead of being so quick to throw around accusations. I'm not speaking about anyone here on PE or in this thread, but in the world at large (and especially the Internet) the wanton use of "nazi" and "fascist" has only served to lessen their weight and make it easier for actual nazis to shrug off legitimate allegations. IMO.

Having said all that, I think it was probably a wise move for Ian to change the artwork.

Yes, I agree.

Then there's always the brown wrapper alternative ala In Through the Out Door...

[aith01]

Then there's always the brown wrapper alternative ala In Through the Out Door...

I hadn't thought of that!

[Progatron]

[Bruno Sampaio Barbosa]

He specifically mentioned COPD, a class of lung afflictions of which emphysema is part of. This usually caused by smoking, but some elderly rock star former heavy smokers prefer to run with the Smoke Machine story for some reason. Maybe he's trying to make it seem like a job-related illness.

Ian revealed that he was misdiagnosed and does not have COPD but has Asthma.

- How are you doing health wise? I know you announced in 2020 that you had COPD
Ian: That's been reevaluated as a result of some tests that i did a few months ago. It would appear that the COPD analysis is less likely than Asthma...The medication that i take, and i take half of the lowest dose as a treatment kept me absolutely fine for many months now and so far, so good. I'm not suffering ill health from that which is at a controllable lung disease...The balance of opinion from two different specialist consultants in the field, they both have fallen in favor of being Asthma as being the bettter diagnosis and so that is to a degree controllable.
Interview - "Sofa King Cool Online" - 24, march 2022

[Bruno Sampaio Barbosa]

This is a single edit version, mixed by Bruce Soord (The Pineapple Thief). Video created by Christian Rios/Ray of Light Films.

Much better when Bruce takes control of this. Nowadays Ian tends to mix his voice with a lot of reverb, thin and insipid drums, flute upfront and guitar isolated in one channel. Kind of lazy mix. Bruce mix have more grip and more inteligent approach to spread the instrumentations arround the stereo image.

[Mister Triscuits]

Sounds like Ian's still mining those quasi-Arabic scales he was exploring on Roots to Branches, which seems kind of an odd choice for a song about Vikings.

[polmico]

This is a single edit version, mixed by Bruce Soord (The Pineapple Thief). Video created by Christian Rios/Ray of Light Films.

Much better when Bruce takes control of this. Nowadays Ian tends to mix his voice with a lot of reverb, thin and insipid drums, flute upfront and guitar isolated in one channel. Kind of lazy mix. Bruce mix have more grip and more inteligent approach to spread the instrumentations arround the stereo image.

That sounds like a band. I wonder why Anderson didn't let Soord mix the whole album.

[infandous]

Well, it may be because I've been hearing a lot of Tull's 70's albums for the first time (just was never that much of a fan that I bought any albums in my younger days, except Thick As A Brick, of course....and I had cassette copies of the 2nd and 3rd albums back then as well, and I've heard Aqualung about a million times, despite never owning a copy), but I don't find either song posted here very interesting or especially enjoyable. Not bad, is all I can say, and the vocals are, as someone else mentioned, weak. There is no dynamics to them and while he tries to inject some feeling, it seems like he's talking quietly more than actually singing. Just my take.

I did buy TAAB 2 when it came out, but decided it wasn't really very interesting. So I won't be getting this one and I haven't even heard any of The Zealot Gene.

Still, the flute playing is great and more power to Ian for putting out two back to back albums at this point in his career. I still have tons of respect for him as musician and writer.

[neuroticdog]

Sounds like Ian's still mining those quasi-Arabic scales he was exploring on Roots to Branches, which seems kind of an odd choice for a song about Vikings.

I believe the Vikings had plenty of interaction with the Arabic world through trade routes. A google search will yield much detail.

This is me nit picking like any good denizen would on a prog board

On topic---I pray nightly for a follow up to Divinities!!

best
Michael

[Garyhead]

I imagine Tour Insurance premiums are less for Asthma than COPD.

[Mister Triscuits]

I believe the Vikings had plenty of interaction with the Arabic world through trade routes.

Since you mention it, I suppose Moorish Spain was pretty much right next door.

[ronmac]

On topic---I pray nightly for a follow up to Divinities!!

best
Michael

i LOVE Divinities.

[Vic2012]

Caught those two new JT tracks. Not bad. Ok.