Sure. No big deal. I must be suggestible. Ah, these completists !Originally Posted by calyx
It reminds me of a Monty Python and the Holy Grail reissue, with - wait for this -
a full 17 seconds of bonus footage. That was humorous.
Sure. No big deal. I must be suggestible. Ah, these completists !
It reminds me of a Monty Python and the Holy Grail reissue, with - wait for this -
a full 17 seconds of bonus footage. That was humorous.
The bonus vid, Gentlemen of the Road, is almost as interesting as the main documentary, btw.
I've watched the main doc a few more times since my last post in this thread. I took it over to a friends house the other day and I can't say it was totally engaging. Maybe they were not 100% "present". A common topic in the doc it's self. Being present for the music. There is more talk than music in the doc and for some that maybe aren't familiar with the bulk of this lineup, it can be a little confusing/tedious. They did say they walked away from it liking Jakko a lot more now that they knew something about him. I felt like the doc was a tribute to Bill Rieflin as much as anything else, and I don't mind that. He comes off as a very humorous, sincere, down-to-earth and brave soul. I miss him now that I've seen this. The other bulk lies in relationships with Fripp. With the current lineup and some past members too and their dynamic with him.
Just ordered the deluxe edition of the documentary from ImportCDs for $53 (plus tax & shipping). On back order, but that’s ok I think.
https://metrograph.com/tony-levin/?f...dJrxh5AF-gwoAM
Great new interview with Tony about the new documentary....
I really dig the new movie/boxset. The documentary is wonderful. The first time I was a bit shocked. Wow, is it already over? The second time I was totally ready. Didn't want to miss a thing, but just as with KC's music you can't just play it once and think you got it. At least that is how it feels for me. Would I have liked some more music in the movie, sure, but you get two wondeful perfomances and 5 hours of music on CD, so I'm not complaining ;-) Reading the interview with Tony Levin I see that even he see something new every time he watches it.
What I really like about the movie is that is not linear. You get a good idea what it means to be in this band. The suffering, the joy. I didn't miss the 1969-2019 overview. Would I have liked to have seen more of Adrian, Jamie, Michael and other former members, yes absolutely since I thought their contributions were really worthwile and honest. Adrian was right when he said that KC was always about the new, but I disagree that this latest incarnation is an exception. When this band played Starless they moved forward. When Fripp brought KC back to life in 2013 I'm sure nobody would have ever thought that this band was going to play Starless, Epitaph, Island etc. Besides, the "Radical Action Suite" was among the hightlights for me when they played it in 2018 and lets not forget "A Scarcity of Miracles" that preluded this incarnation.
Of course this doesn't change the fact that I would love to see a new studio album of this band ;-)
That documentary really is fascinating. Mr. Fripp clearly regrets how he treated some of his band members back in the day (e.g. his apology to the affable Mel Collins). What was clear to me was his sincere heartbreak at the breakup of the first incantation with the departure of fiends and beloved band members. It seems to have traumatized him on some level and goes a long way to explaining the ongoing change that characterizes the history of the band. Ironically, the present incarnation, although new is nearly 100% backwards looking IMO.
Clearer than ever was Fripps unrelenting drive, vision and perfectionism that is unforgiving of free spirits like Adrian Belew who was (and still is) heartbroken Fripp's dismissal. He seems genuinely shocked at what he saw as the dissolution of a partnership. Crimson is clearly Fripp's vehicle, and it seems either you share that vision and go along happily (Levin, Jakko) or you find it intolerable. I don't blame Fripp a bit, he built the ship, so he has every right to navigate its course.
..and yes the story of Rieflin was profoundly moving and the doc definitely made me much more of a Jakko fan although I wasn't particularly blown away by his recent solo album.
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Immersive Listening Events for ITCOTKC coming to London & Los Angeles in January. Info from DGM.com-
Coming soon to Los Angeles and London: In the Court of the Crimson King in spatial audio with Pitchblack Playback, L-Acoustic Creations - Spatial audio mix by Steven Wilson - Visit pitchblackplayback.com to book a ticket.
11th January in London, 7:30pm (sold out) & 9pm
12th January in LA (Westlake Village), 6pm & 8pm
King Crimson’s debut will be featured as part of the popular Pitchblack Playback series of listening sessions in the dark, blindfolded and free from distractions. The intimate sessions will take place at L-Acoustics London and Westlake Village CA sound spaces equipped with a concert-grade L-Acoustics sound system in 18.1.12.
I really liked the documentary. Now to get into all the rest of the box set...which is really the only version to buy imo.
Blindfolded? That sounds awful. I would find being blindfolded a distraction in itself.
Hurtleturtled Out of Heaven - an electronic music composition, on CD and vinyl
https://michaelpdawson.bandcamp.com
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...MCD-spc-7.aspx
Not piped into Sensory Deprivation Tanks?
The David Cross Band are playing the entirety of Larks’ to celebrate its 50th:
https://dgmlive.com/news/ltia-at-50-...5A6OWp4lE0vWds
Hopefully it gets recorded.
The David Cross Band have had an interesting career. Quite a few very nice albums in their discog.
I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight.
Also, if it's in the dark, why do you need a blindfold? And what if I accidentally smell, taste, or touch something? (I SWEAR it would be an accident.)
You're not supposed to bring the KC50 box set to the viewing.
But if you do watch it together, can you sit in the last row back corner...... As a consideration for the rest of us! LOL
Death inspires me like a dog inspires a rabbit
I once saw a rainbow in the dark while blindfolded.
Maybe the blindfold thing is a gimmick to make sure people aren't using their phones.
I enjoyed this 14-minute KC historical doc, which basically shows the creation of the band.
https://youtu.be/-3O0rKb9YHs
I've felt for a while that David Cross could be the Steve Hackett of King Crimson if he wanted to -- touring faithful renditions of classic KC music with an emphasis on his time in the group. Speaking of, if he and Steve Hackett ever hooked up I'd be interested. An album from those two wouldn't be the worst thing.The David Cross Band have had an interesting career. Quite a few very nice albums in their discog.
I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.
This makes me want to hear Giles, Giles & Fripp.
I just finished watching the 50th documentary and the Tring film, and am working my way through the other features in the set. So far, everything has been very interesting, and there are some very funny moments as well. The Tring session is freaking excellent, and recording it in the studio straight through like that is dramatic and very effective. However, IMO the main documentary was quite a disappointment. As I said, it was all interesting, but it seemed very incomplete. Not only as far as length and the rather limited scope of the film, but also regarding participation. Tony Levin and Mastelotto are almost nowhere to be seen. Belew is on screen speaking for probably less than a minute.
Overall, there's a lot of good material in the set, and from what I've heard what I haven't yet watched is of equal quality. But it's as though the director didn't want to go to the trouble of weaving all the material into a somewhat coherent experience.
Listening to Rieflin is sad. I'm glad he was given the screen time he received - he was eloquent, and a brave man. Mel Collins is another who gets very little speaking time. I liked what Jakko said, and would have liked to have heard more from him. Fripp is wittier than ever. In the end, it's his presence and playing that command attention most, as it always has been and should be.
Physically it's a nice set. I haven't really gotten a grasp yet of what's on the CDs. It looks interesting, but like there are a lot of previously released recordings (seems like the Tour Boxes). So pretty good value for money, but the director phoned in the story.
Interesting. I didn't really get that impression at all. I thought that he put a lot of thought into telling the story the way that he wanted to do it. It was certainly not in the conventional start from the beginning manner. He focused a lot on the section of the newer tour that he followed, and wove some of the history in and out. And every living member he could interview got in there somewhere. He took a very long, convoluted and difficult to cover story and centered on what he felt was important and told the story the way that it made sense to him.
Of course, it could have been longer and done a ton of different ways, but for me at least, I didn't get the sense of phoning it in. We can debate it at this year's Progday, Dr. Z!
Neil
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^ You're right in that I shouldn't say he phoned it in, because whatever he achieved was not easy to achieve. Also, in a way it makes sense to dispense with covering members he couldn't interview (like Wetton), since pretty much all fans know full well about Wetton's part in Crimson. So no point in taking up time needlessly. We'd been warned it was short, but I guess what it was able to cover in that length still seemed like scratching the surface to me. Still, very enjoyable, and also probably holds up to occasional rewatches because Fripp is so funny!
I agree, it almost seemed like one giant trailer, in some ways! At least for the bluray, in addition to his cut, he could have included a much longer version for the fans, but I'm glad that at least we got, what we got.
Fripp is a character, but I laughed the hardest at the comments from Bruford and Gunn, haha.
Neil
Basically, it's great for what it is, but what it is not is a comprehensive history of King Crimson.
Hurtleturtled Out of Heaven - an electronic music composition, on CD and vinyl
https://michaelpdawson.bandcamp.com
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...MCD-spc-7.aspx
Has Jakko described in interviews how he was found/contacted for the 21st Century Schizoid Band? I'd be interested to know how that went down. He was in a KC tribute band before 21CSB, right?
Unrelated, but I just finished watching the whole Blu-Ray of "Radical Action..." for the first time. At the end, when they finish 21CSM, Fripp quietly kisses his guitar. Cute!
Yes. Peter Sinfield recommended him to McDonald/Collins/the Giles brothers, after they were unable to line up Fripp and Lake for a KC69 reunion. https://www.innerviews.org/inner/jakko-jakszyk
No, but he'd worked with Sinfield on unrelated songwriting projects.He was in a KC tribute band before 21CSB, right?
You have not heard anything like Vostok Lake, nor do you know anyone who has.
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