I think so too. And at least this time White is playing White. Have a hard time with him trying to play Bruford. Boy does he not groove and swing at all...Originally Posted by yesstiles
I think so too. And at least this time White is playing White. Have a hard time with him trying to play Bruford. Boy does he not groove and swing at all...
I don't think Roosevelt Stadium was multi-track. At a guess, it went from the soundboard via whatever radio station broadcast it (and the DJs are obviously there as well). But it's truly complete, and definitely an 'on' night. The only unfortunate thing is that 'To Be Over' was not in the set by then.
[QUOTE=JJ88;1176366]It's not, it's an FM broadcast. At best, the radio station had an engineer doing their own mix for the radio feed, but it's still just going to be a two track stereo feed, and not something where you'll be able to correct for anything, say a given instrument being a tad too loud or not loud enough at a given point in the performance. And if there's anything wonky about the sound of any fo the instruments, you'll be unable to do anything about that either. That's why the vocals sound so weird on all those Grateful Dead shows from 73-74, because they had the dual mic system that caused the vocals to come out thin sounding, and you can't really do much about it because all the tapes are two track feeds.I don't think Roosevelt Stadium was multi-track.
To the best of my knowledge, To Be Over was never played on the 76 "solo albums" tour, it was dropped after the Relayer tour ended. You remind me, though, I need to dig out the bootleg I have of the Fort Worth show in 74, as I think that's the one live version of To Be Over I've heard where it actually sounds really good. That's also the show where they slip a few bars of not just The Remembering (as per QPR) but also Revealing Science Of God, into Ritual, something I didn't even notice until my friend Matt pointed it out to me.The only unfortunate thing is that 'To Be Over' was not in the set by then.
It's probably the only multi-track tape Squire had access to. Or at least, the only one that he considered "good enough" performance wise.
I've often wondered what the whys and what-fors of Yesshows is. Wikipedia says that Atlantic wanted to do another live album, and work started on it before Jon and Rick had even left the band. It also says that the album was released November 1980, which I gather was when the "Yes Meets The Buggles episode" (as Steve once called it) was still ongoing. Just seems to me weird that they'd release a live album that not only doesn't include the current band, but has material from two different preceding versions of the band. I mean, if the band had broken up already and you said "Right, we need something to keep the gravy train going, while we figure out a way to resurrect the band", it would make sense. Logical or not, it's one hell of a live album, certainly one of my favourites.
And another thought crosses my mind now is, going back to 1976, the band was recorded shows on each of those three tours, presumably with the intent of them doing something with the material, because yo ucan't just record shows that way, and then not use them for something. It just doesn't make financial sense. It's the same reason there's not more concert footage from before the early 80's out there, because back in those days, if there wasn't a particular project in mind, you basically just didn't film anything. The fact that Genesis filming, and then shelving, the Shepperton deal is an exception (and presumably an extremely costly one for them).
Supposedly, Steve was unhappy with Yesshows. Again, on Wiki, it's mentioned he wanted them to do more work on it, and expand it out to three LP set. I wonder what he would have included on such a project. Awaken, perhaps? Or maybe more songs from Tormato. It wouldn't make any sense to repeat songs from before Yessongs, just because that was "something you didn't do" on live albums, unless you really were trying to exploit the audience.
Classic Yes added two more tracks from the late 70s as a separate single. I guess these were mixed around the same time, but were on Yessongs in earlier versions so weren't included. I think there's a Japanese CD which added these to a release of Yesshows (which otherwise would fit on one disc anyway).
The Word Is Live thankfully did a reasonably good job of picking some more highlights from this era. So you get 'Sound Chaser', 'The Big Medley', 'Future Times/Rejoice', 'Awaken' etc. Probably the only significant omission for me is '...Silent Wings...'. I'd have put that on instead of time fillers like the tour jam 'Hello Chicago' and 'Apocalypse' (which is essentially a tune-up!).
Someone considered the Roosevelt Stadium show release-worthy, since they included the encore ("I'm Down") on one of those live sets I don't have.
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I'd agree it's release-worthy. It sounds a hell of a lot better than some of the Horn-era stuff on The Word Is Live.
IIRC it's on the mixed boxes set Yesyears
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The version of the story I've read is:
--Yes had planned to do a "Yessongs II" 3-LP live release for a while.
--During a touring break in 1979, Squire did "test mixes" for Yessongs II that ended up being what Atlantic released as Yesshows. This was before Jon and Rick left.
--Since there were further Cobo Hall mixes in the Word Is Live set, I'm guessing that it was Atlantic that cut down the set from three to two LPs. However, I'm not sure the additional Cobo Hall material would have added up to another disc. There would've needed to be an Awaken in there, too--maybe from the same '78 Wembley broadcast tapes that yielded Time & A Word on Yesshows.
--The project was abandoned after Jon and Rick left.
--After Yes broke up, Atlantic decided to release what it had as Yesshows to keep the flow of Yes 'product' going. As far as I know, there wasn't any additional work done, and I'm not sure the band's consent was requested (or needed). This was simply Squire's test mixes.
Despite all that, I've loved Yesshows since the first time I heard it. It's better on CD, since Ritual had been stitched back together.
I'd love to see an expanded version with the existing bonus tracks and the additional Cobo Hall material included. Better yet, the entire Cobo Hall show in remixed form, if that's possible.
Funny that they would be worried about that when a studio album had come out just three months before; but then this is the same Atlantic that cranked out Yesterdays while Relayer was still in the Top 10.
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Can't resist. Probably be done many times before, but this could have been it:
Side One
1. Opening 1:37 Boston Gardens 74
2. Sound Chaser 10:15 Boston Gardens 74
3. To Be Over 9:15 Boston Gardens 74
Side Two
1. The Gates Of Delirium 22:23 Boston Gardens 74
Side Three
1. Ritual 28:55 Detroit 76
Side Four
1. Parallels 6:06 Ahoy Halle 77
2. Wonderous Stories 4:30 Ahoy Halle 77
3. The Colours of a Rainbow 0.48 Ahoy Halle 77
4. Turn Of The Century 7.52 Ahoy Halle 77
5. Going For the One 5:30 Ahoy Halle 77
Side Five
1. Flight Jam 4.34 Ahoy Halle 77
2. Awaken 16.34 Ahoy Halle 77
Side 6
1. Future Times/Rejoice 6:58 Wembley 78
2. Circus Of Heaven 5:17 Wembley 78
2. Don't Kill The Wale 4:33 Wembley 78
3. Madrigal 1:35 Wembley 78
4. On The Silent Wings Of 8:35 Wembley 78
But oddly, Yesshows has never been released as a single disc.
TBH, though triple albums weren't in vogue by the early 80s, this looks better than the somewhat compromised release that we got. I'd probably flip side 5 and 6 though, and maybe include the single with Classic Yes here instead!
Listening to it right now.
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Absolutely should have been this....
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The Wikipedia entry accords mostly with what I'd read (which was perhaps not entirely accurate), differing mainly in that the album was released before Yes broke up. I'm assuming Atlantic wanted more product for the Christmas season. It was a weird decision, based on the timing.
I bought each of these on the day of release, but do not remember thinking there was anything strange afoot, it was just great to get another live album with a lovely Dean cover. I always hated that Ritual was chopped in half though, and rejoiced when the CD stitched it back together. I suppose looking back that this was the era when prog was supposed to be in it's death throes, and so the label were probably keen to cash out before tastes completely changed.
That would be consistent with the timing of Classic Yes exactly one year later.
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I might as well post this here: been really into Going for the One this past week...especially the title track. It took me while - it used to annoy me a bit but now I love it. It may have been Howe but I've come aroundI do LOVE Squire's background vocals on that, though! Awaken is still magical...gotta be top 5 Yes.
^The relevant 1977 tour is somewhat poorly represented on their live releases, alas. I think there's only the couple of tracks released on Yesshows and Classic Yes. But thankfully there are some quality audience recordings by two of the best 'tapers' of the time- Mike Millard and Dan Lampinski.
'Going For The One' itself seems to have caused Anderson some problems live, and it does seem like a very difficult one to sing. The track is actually not in the set on one of these audience recordings (maybe Lampinski's Boston one).
The lead vocal on that track is astonishingly good too. Really strong and cuts right through all the noisy stuff going on.
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Millard's Long Beach Arena 1977 is an effing [emoji106] awesome show w/ my fave live CttE ever.
Has GftO after And You and I and before Awaken.
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I used to love watching the studio footage from that album that was featured in the Yesyears documentary, and seeing/hearing Squire singing those backing harmonies. He was such a vital part of their sound in so many ways.
Awaken is 'Top 1' for me.
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Yesshows pulled a bit of sequencing chicanery with 'Going For The One'. 'Time For The Word' actually segued into 'Long Distance Runaround' (as part of 'The Big Medley'), and not 'Going For The One' as happens on the album. In fact, these two songs were not even recorded in the same year! But it works quite well nevertheless.
I recall an interview where Anderson said of that song (or maybe the whole album) the vocals were in such a high range it sounded like he was on helium!
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