Yes-Time to get Jon Anderson & Rick Wakeman back in the group

[trurl]

Another well known producer with a strong track record but his brief time with Yes in the past didn't exactly go well.

I would chalk that up to the band, not him.

[rojon]

Anderson had no involvement in Fish Out of Water

Henry

...One of Squire's bits (appearing around the 3 minute mark) would become Silently Falling on Fish Out of Water. Jon is working out scat vocal lines...and as such Jon appears to be an uncredited contributor to that tune.

That doesn't necessarily mean Jon improvised that melody. Chris could have (and likely did) write it and show it to Jon without having actual lyrics yet.

Well it is true that it doesn't necessarily mean Jon improvised the melody. But even your own wording, you say "could have," instead of "did," so it is impossible to say 100% emphatically, yes? We just seem to have drawn different conclusions.

Obviously the lyrics were still in play then, but the very vocal melody sounds tentative, and not just the section in question, but the entire tune. As such it just sounds like the vocalist is working out a vocal tune, much like Steve is working out the guitar. To this point, the Silently Falling section actually occupies a large portion of this version, and so there is a good amount of improvisational melodies, some appear in the final Silently Falling, some do not, Steve's guitar section wasn't used. Hard to point examples since the vocals are just phonetic sounds, but for example a part at 3:40 (a variation starting 4:25 develops into a repetitive vocal melody that closes the song.) This tentative sounding melody isn't in the final Silently Falling. Could be Chris wrote this part also and eventually left it out, but it just sounds more like we simply have a vocalist working out a tentative melody.

If Jon wrote the melody he almost surely would have asked for a writing credit.

Maybe, maybe not...who can say? It is pretty well known that Jimmy Page...um "borrowed" Squire's music from the XYZ sessions for a song that appeared (uncredited to Squire) on the album The Firm. Maybe sometimes you just let it go.

[Scott Bails]

The same way Squire "borrowed" music from the XYZ session for "Mind Drive?"

[rojon]

The same way Squire "borrowed" music from the XYZ session for "Mind Drive?"

exactly, there is a distance between "borrowed" and "asking for a writing credit." Squire himself said Jimmy took the song, but he never battled for a writing credit. sometimes you just let it go.

[bondegezou]

Squire wrote most of the XYZ music, so re-using his own ideas in "Mind Drive" is different to the accusation that he's made in the past that Page took something he (Squire) wrote and used it without crediting him... Although, actually, in a recent interview, Squire says the opposite, that the one bit of music Page did bring to XYZ was the riff later used in The Firm.

Henry

[trurl]

Well it is true that it doesn't necessarily mean Jon improvised the melody. But even your own wording, you say "could have," instead of "did," so it is impossible to say 100% emphatically, yes?

Yeaaaaaaaaah.... that's my point.